Nikon 16MP DX Mirrorless 28mm f/2.8 lens DISCUSSION
  • MsmotoMsmoto +1 -1
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    On the main blog we see this...so, we can all give an opinion

    Now this was my idea, sort of
    Nikon DM1 II.02.10.13

    Or
    Nikon? DM1 FX Mirrorless 02.08.13

    These are just guesses, of course...
    Post edited by Msmoto at 2013-02-18 17:12:51
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  • SymphoticSymphotic +1 -1
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    I'm buying one!
    Jack Roberts
    "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought"--Albert Szent-Gyorgy
  • shawninoshawnino +1 -1
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    Given the recent quality control issues, and the near universal acclaim the Fuji X100 has in the space, I'm not sure why Nikon thinks this'll sell.
  • TaoTeJaredTaoTeJared +1 -1
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    28mm??? Equivalent or actual? Interchangeable or fixed?

    If it is fixed, 28mm equiv is too wide for most. If it is a 42mm equiv, that is interesting but a odd (by recent standards) focal length for 35mm frame. If it was a 50-58mm 1.4, equiv fixed, it would fly off the shelves. 2.8 is a bit slow by current standards for these.

    Question is can they do one that can use current lenses, or will they have to create a whole new lens mount (more likely.)

    It will come down to AF and High ISO for it's success. And if it looks like the CX line - dear god! Why!!!!! Make it cool and retro Nikon, Cool and Retro!
    D800, D300, D50(ir converted), FujiX100, Canon G11, Olympus TG2. Nikon lenses - 24mm 2.8, 35mm 1.8, (5 in all)50mm, 60mm, 85mm 1.8, 105vr, 105 f2.5, 180mm 2.8, 70-200vr1, 24-120vr f4. Tokina 12-24mm, 16-28mm, 28-70mm (angenieux design), 300mm f2.8. Sigma 15mm fisheye. Voigtlander R2 (olive) & R2a, Voigt 35mm 2.5, Zeiss 50mm f/2, Leica 90mm f/4. I know I missed something...
  • MsmotoMsmoto +1 -1
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    I would love to have one the size of my old "F" bodies......And, my mock ups are probably not at all like what it might be. I will work on my "F" version...LOL
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  • PB_PMPB_PM +1 -1
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    Sounds like the first one will be a fixed lens model (at least that's what Peter said in the comments).
    D800 & D700. AF-S 16-35mm F4G VR, AF-S 24-70mm F2.8G, AF-S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6G VR, AF-S 50mm F1.8G, AF-S 105mm F2.8G VR, Sigma APO 120-300mm F2.8 EX DG HSM.
  • jjdarlingjjdarling +1 -1
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    The f/2.8 is really disappointing. I know the Fuji equivalent is super popular, I guess I just don't understand who's buying it? I'm guessing Nikon will also sell it for close to a grand, which is more than a D3200 + kit + 35mm f1.8 combo. Or people could get an equivalent CX + lens equivalent for about the same (I'm assuming) if portability is the chief concern?

    So, who buys this camera?
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  • PB_PMPB_PM +1 -1
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    Someone, otherwise they wouldn't make it. Any camera maker that doesn't do market research before releasing a product would be foolish.
    Post edited by PB_PM at 2013-02-18 18:43:42
    D800 & D700. AF-S 16-35mm F4G VR, AF-S 24-70mm F2.8G, AF-S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6G VR, AF-S 50mm F1.8G, AF-S 105mm F2.8G VR, Sigma APO 120-300mm F2.8 EX DG HSM.
  • PapermanPaperman +1 -1
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    Finally getting rid of the CX , I'd say ...Better late than never. Maybe not discontinue totally but reclassify the V & Js among the Coolpix series. Suits better there.
    Post edited by Paperman at 2013-02-18 19:57:24
  • PB_PMPB_PM +1 -1
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    I doubt they'll "get rid of CX" but rather supplement it. Nikon see's CX as a coolpix replacement. This new line could be the first step to introduce a real competitor to M4/3s, NEX and Fuji X cameras.
    Post edited by PB_PM at 2013-02-18 20:48:32
    D800 & D700. AF-S 16-35mm F4G VR, AF-S 24-70mm F2.8G, AF-S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6G VR, AF-S 50mm F1.8G, AF-S 105mm F2.8G VR, Sigma APO 120-300mm F2.8 EX DG HSM.
  • NSXTypeRNSXTypeR +1 -1
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    Man, if they screw up the styling I'm going to be majorly pissed.

    Imagine if they end up making it look like the styling of the Nikon 1 cameras instead of it being retro?

    I'm being cautiously optimistic here, but I like what I'm hearing.
    Nikon D7000/ Nikon D40/ Nikon FM2/ 18-135 AF-S/ 35mm 1.8 AF-S/ 105mm Macro AF-S/ 50mm 1.2 AI-S
  • PB_PMPB_PM +1 -1
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    I doubt Nikon will go retro. I'd like to see more a hybrid, a mix of old and new.
    D800 & D700. AF-S 16-35mm F4G VR, AF-S 24-70mm F2.8G, AF-S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6G VR, AF-S 50mm F1.8G, AF-S 105mm F2.8G VR, Sigma APO 120-300mm F2.8 EX DG HSM.
  • SymphoticSymphotic +1 -1
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    If it's not retro, no deal. I'm hoping for styling cues from the classic S3. That is how they can take share from the coming X100s.
    Jack Roberts
    "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought"--Albert Szent-Gyorgy
  • tcole1983tcole1983 +1 -1
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    Do not want :-)
    D5200, D5000, S31, 18-55 VR, 17-55 F2.8, 35 F1.8G, 105 F2.8 VR, 300 F4 AF-S (Previously owned 18-200 VRI, Tokina 12-24 F4 II)
  • tcole1983tcole1983 +1 -1
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    Or need ;-)
    D5200, D5000, S31, 18-55 VR, 17-55 F2.8, 35 F1.8G, 105 F2.8 VR, 300 F4 AF-S (Previously owned 18-200 VRI, Tokina 12-24 F4 II)
  • donaldejosedonaldejose +1 -1
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    I say start copying the old Leica rangefinders style in DX format with a 35 or 50mm 35mm equivalent lens or with a 18-55 fixed DX zoom and an electronic viewfinder. In other words, make a modern Leica.
  • PB_PMPB_PM +1 -1
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    I suspect that Leica has copyright's on those designs. Nikon would do just as well to use the design from their own rangefinder cameras. In any case, last time I checked Leica already makes modern Leica's.
    Post edited by PB_PM at 2013-02-18 21:53:32
    D800 & D700. AF-S 16-35mm F4G VR, AF-S 24-70mm F2.8G, AF-S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6G VR, AF-S 50mm F1.8G, AF-S 105mm F2.8G VR, Sigma APO 120-300mm F2.8 EX DG HSM.
  • donaldejosedonaldejose +1 -1
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    If it is in the compact line it will probably look more like a Coolpix P7700.

    The last time I saw an old Leica rangefinder I was surprised how large and heavy it was. We should be able to do much better today with plastic and a DX size sensor.
  • SquamishPhotoSquamishPhoto +1 -1 (+2 / -0 )
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    Why would Nikon opt to mimic another companies rangefinder style when they have their own rather large and prestigious line of rangefinders to base their design on?
    Mike
    D3 • D7100 • 14-24mm f2.8 • T24-70mm f2.8 • 35mm f1.4A • PC-E 45mm f2.8 • 50mm f1.8G • AF-D 85mm f1.4 • ZF.2 100mm f2 • 200mm f2 VR2 • 70-200mm f4
  • AndrewzAndrewz +1 -1
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    I'm in but it really has to have a retro look and F mount. Now I'm even more excited for Tuesday, I've been saying for a long time that this was a hole in the Nikon line up.
  • heartyfisherheartyfisher +1 -1
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    16mp dx sensor ? wonder if its the old one in the D7000 or a new one.. it would be really exciting if its a new one.. more hope for a great D400 !
    Post edited by heartyfisher at 2013-02-18 23:44:36
    Moments of Light - D610 D7K S5pro 70-200f4 18-200 150f2.8 12-24 18-70 35-70f2.8 : C&C very welcome!
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  • KnockKnockKnockKnock +1 -1
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    The blog comments are so much about what it ISN'T (D400), that's it's refreshing to see this thread here. Considering the references to 16MP and Expeed 2, it sounds very much like D5100 guts. They had best be targeting a 3-figure price. Maybe they're quickly moving to the imagined future of DX being mirror-less. I wish them luck for what will surely be a bumpy transition. Does beg a lot of questions. Hybrid focus, plans for a mirrorless mount vs just compact, future of DX SLRs, is the D600 really the D7100? Assuming Nikon generally squeezes more out of sensor than most of its competition, this future DX compact might have incredibly good image quality.
  • TaoTeJaredTaoTeJared +1 -1
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    jjdarling said:

    The f/2.8 is really disappointing. I know the Fuji equivalent is super popular, I guess I just don't understand who's buying it? I'm guessing Nikon will also sell it for close to a grand, which is more than a D3200 + kit + 35mm f1.8 combo. Or people could get an equivalent CX + lens equivalent for about the same (I'm assuming) if portability is the chief concern?

    So, who buys this camera?



    Well I for one own one, and I use it all the time. High Image quality, Lens quality and manual controls are the main concerns. If those is not achieved, then is is a no-go. 2nd is a good view finder. 3rd Manual focus/ zone focus. 4th is being coat pocket-able/ size that doesn't scream camera to the world. Street shooters, documentary style shooters, prime shooters, or photographers that when going somewhere, they just grab a single prime and that's it.

    Who doesn't want compact system that has retro styling? The X100, Sigma DP series, Sony RX-1 and even Leica systems, or other single lens systems of the past are for certain photographers - they know who they are and why they love single lens cameras. All of them also have a full system as well. It's definitely not for everyone though. Everyone dogged and piled on the X100 when it came out saying it was a failure - but it spawned the Xpro1, and a full range of retro cameras for Fuji. Now the 2nd generation is coming. Pentax, Olympus, and Sony followed suit with retro or single lens systems.

    The retro system primes; 28mm f/2.8, 35mm f/2, 40mm f/2, 50mm f/1.4, 85/90mm f/2, 105mm f2.5 - You can do almost anything with any one of those. If one is going retro - that is what it needs to hit - one or all. Personally I think the 35,40, & 50 are the only good options for a single system.
    D800, D300, D50(ir converted), FujiX100, Canon G11, Olympus TG2. Nikon lenses - 24mm 2.8, 35mm 1.8, (5 in all)50mm, 60mm, 85mm 1.8, 105vr, 105 f2.5, 180mm 2.8, 70-200vr1, 24-120vr f4. Tokina 12-24mm, 16-28mm, 28-70mm (angenieux design), 300mm f2.8. Sigma 15mm fisheye. Voigtlander R2 (olive) & R2a, Voigt 35mm 2.5, Zeiss 50mm f/2, Leica 90mm f/4. I know I missed something...
  • kenadamskenadams +1 -1
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    I'd much more appreciate an interchangeable lens system instead of a fixed lens. I'm seriously thinking about getting an X-Pro1, for form factor, usefulness, performance.. and the lens system, which seems to be awesome. with the outstanding 35mm, you'd get a perfectly street useable ~50mm on the 1.5 crop of the X-Pro, so
    Post edited by kenadams at 2013-02-19 03:57:25
  • MsmotoMsmoto +1 -1
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    I am with Squamish on this one...if I could have a Nikon S3 with a crop sensor...I would pay a lot for this....possibly have a small bump on the front like the current DSLR bodies to make it easier to hold with two fingers...
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  • shawninoshawnino +1 -1
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    Am I the only one who doesn't give a rat's as to whether it's "retro" or not?
    I don't care if it looks like a dog turd. I only care about size and various elements of functionality.

    If it's a stop slower than the Fuji, then doesn't it have to beat the Fuji quite handily elsewhere (IQ--unlikely the be that much better; price; ease of use) or run the risk of being DOA?


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