Is it a fair question to ask what's essential in an "action" camera versus a landscape/studio camera (810) or a general purpose camera (610)? I'd have to vote for Af acquisition and tracking with excellent low light performance as No1 with buffer capacity, buffer clearance rate, and memory card capacity as No2. Battery capacity would be No 3 with weather sealing as No4. Only at No5 would I worry about pixel count. That's just my opinion based on moderate time with a D3s and a D4 shooting events.
Is it a fair question to ask what's essential in an "action" camera versus a landscape/studio camera (810) or a general purpose camera (610)?
Yes but there is very big difference between Studio and Landscape photography
For some reason, people seem to think landscape photography takes place in controlled environment, similar to a studio . That certainly, in my experience, is not the case
Landscape photography does not need usually need, high ISO, high fps, or a big buffer, but IMHO its does need High dynamic range, fast focusing and I want, all the weatherproofing I can get. Most landscape photographers also shoot wild life, so fps and buffer capacity is important
The great thing about the Nikon F, was it was equally at home in Studio or a laboratory, as it was in Vietnam, a race track, or a football match.
I think we all want essentially the same thing. More features for less cost
and despite all the " Nikon is about to follow Kodak" posts, I think we are getting them
Yes but there is very big difference between Studio and Landscape photography....for some reason, people seem to think landscape photography takes place in controlled environment, similar to a studio....that...is not the case...
Excellent point...bravo.
As for the buffer, it will not be an issue...their will be plenty of it to go with the dynamic range.
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With the DF and D600 releases, I think it's wise to be cautious about expectations. There was serious disappointment with the DF's ergonomics, and significant disappointment with the D600 auto-focus, to say nothing about the spots.
I agree that the D7100 set a pretty high bar, as did the D800/e. So we have a little schizophrenia with Nikon. Will they pull a rabbit out of the hat, or let us down? I suspect a little more of the latter than the former. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised.
D7100, D60, 35mm f/1.8 DX, 50mm f/1.4, 18-105mm DX, 18-55mm VR II, Sony RX-100 ii
@Photobug: Why is it better for Nikon to sell D600s or D750s instead of blazing fast D9300s? I would think they are happy for all their sales and better and more diversed cameras give them more customers.
Edit: At the same time I have a feeling that they do too many cameras, so I am a little confused.
I all ways question the need for WiFi on D-SLR's, mainly due to battery drain...if left on when not needed. Moreover, if left on and it has the same impact as it does on my iPhone...then thanks but no thanks. Lastly, 802.11b...really, the more reason not to have it. The duration of time it would take to transfer RAW files over-the-air would take so long it would be pointless...even JPG's would be a waste of time. Try transferring 1+ Gig of date and tell me how you like it.
D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
I all ways question the need for WiFi on D-SLR's ...
Let's agree it's certainly not the best way to transfer a day's work to the PC. But for using a phone or tablet as an external control panel? Or for quick image viewing before you get home to your PC (the camera could let you view ½Mb versions for snappy performance) . Or if you capture a few images that you really want to send somewhere before you get home. A built-in $10 chip+antenna would be very desirable IMHO, instead of an external dongle-thing. But, sure, it's no deal-breaker for me.
Golf, I guess the general idea is to allow for wireless tethered shooting, not for downloading all at once at the end of the day, and for that I find it interesting. Why bother with cables you can easily trip over?
Your D4 sports a Gigabit ethernet port. Now take a close look at how thick and cumbersome but at the same time fragile a CAT5 cable is, and how tightly it's locked in there.
Golf, I guess the general idea is to allow for wireless tethered shooting, not for downloading all at once at the end of the day, and for that I find it interesting. Why bother with cables you can easily trip over?
Your D4 sports a Gigabit ethernet port. Now take a close look at how thick and cumbersome but at the same time fragile a CAT5 cable is, and how tightly it's locked in there.
How long would it take to transfer 10 raw files over the current state of the art wifi?
Depends - with IEEE 802.11ad (~7GBit/s) it could be well within a second, theoretically.
Practically, you'd get a fraction of the most widespread standard, 54MBit/s, that's ~6MByte/s, not counting network overhead. USB 2 & 3 are a lot faster obviously.
I'm not saying it's a must have, or that it's significantly faster than other solutions (it's not!). However, wireless is much less tedious than cable, which has a certain charme. My time machine backups run over wireless to a NAS without me even noticing it or doing anything.
Just a note: "Action" camera in the case of the D750 may just mean a greater focus on video features. After all, video IS action. Many of us tend to think of speed (AF, fps, etc) when we see the word action. Nikon may simply mean that if you want to record action (with video) this body has some features to help you. I still think it will essentially be the FX equivalent to the DX D5xxx line. If so I won't buy it but if it has the latest D4s/D810 AF ability I will buy it. Those currently using the D5xxx series for video may see the D750 as a desirable upgrade path.
@Golf007sd: I use a EyeFi sd card on my D800 to transfer JPGs to my iPad for review - works great. I use the CF card for RAWs. As others have said it would be nice to be able to control your camera from a phone or tablet.
@Sports, kenadams & henrik1963: Thank you all for pointing out how WiFi could provided itself useful when used for remote camera control...I totally overlooked that.
D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
For me, just looking for an FX Nikon with a flip screen and video for Real Estate. All other features will be "Nice" extras.. Specially Wi-Fi and GPS! :-w
@Photobug: Why is it better for Nikon to sell D600s or D750s instead of blazing fast D9300s? I would think they are happy for all their sales and better and more diversed cameras give them more customers. There is a need for an action body between the D610 and D810 with good video. I really believe that the 9300 is not going to happen and betting Nikon believes a lot of D300/D300s owners have moved on. So Marketing sees an opportunity for more sales dollars with a FF action body.
It's unfortunately because there was a need for the D9300 and still a need. I just don't see it happening. It's like Nikon has MADE THE DECISION to only perform upgrades to the top of the line consumer model (D7100) and focus on converting more advanced amateurs to FF which requires using Nikon lens. However, that is another story with Sigma and Tamron introducing as good if not better lens at lower prices. And if they have looked at the D400 and D9300 forums they see users want speed. Translation, a sports model positioned between the D610 and D810. The Pro consumer DX model is not going to happen. I hold that line until Nikon introduces one.
D750 & D7100 | 24-70 F2.8 G AF-S ED, 70-200 F2.8 AF VR, TC-14E III, TC-1.7EII, 35 F2 AF D, 50mm F1.8G, 105mm G AF-S VR | Backup & Wife's Gear: D5500 & Sony HX50V | 18-140 AF-S ED VR DX, 55-300 AF-S G VR DX | |SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
Based on the original release date of the D600 (almost 24 months) we are due for a refresh. But the D610 was already released, to fix the shutter. Since the model name is already tarnished Nikon will just release the real *D610 with a new model number. Put the whole D600 ugliness firmly in the past and maybe even make a few of the 'I want a successor the D700' people happy at the same time.
I had earlier predicted the D750 would have 51 AF points. After reading something here is my revised SWAG - it will have 60 to 65 points. For those that don't know what a SWAG is...Scientific Wild Ass Guess.
D750 & D7100 | 24-70 F2.8 G AF-S ED, 70-200 F2.8 AF VR, TC-14E III, TC-1.7EII, 35 F2 AF D, 50mm F1.8G, 105mm G AF-S VR | Backup & Wife's Gear: D5500 & Sony HX50V | 18-140 AF-S ED VR DX, 55-300 AF-S G VR DX | |SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
@Photobug: Why is it better for Nikon to sell D600s or D750s instead of blazing fast D9300s? I would think they are happy for all their sales and better and more diversed cameras give them more customers.
Edit: At the same time I have a feeling that they do too many cameras, so I am a little confused.
I kind of agree with you there- although I have no need for a D300s replacement, I'd still like them to have a replacement for the D300s just so that I get some reassurance that Nikon is still invested in the DX line.
That being said, I don't think a D9300 would be hard to make once this comes out, since the 51 pt AF was adapted to the D7100, it shouldn't be all that hard to adapt the D7100 guts to the D750 body.
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For some reason, people seem to think landscape photography takes place in controlled environment, similar to a studio . That certainly, in my experience, is not the case
Landscape photography does not need usually need, high ISO, high fps, or a big buffer, but IMHO its does need High dynamic range, fast focusing and I want, all the weatherproofing I can get. Most landscape photographers also shoot wild life, so fps and buffer capacity is important
The great thing about the Nikon F, was it was equally at home in Studio or a laboratory, as it was in Vietnam, a race track, or a football match.
I think we all want essentially the same thing. More features for less cost
and despite all the " Nikon is about to follow Kodak" posts, I think we are getting them
I only know one photojournalist He uses a D3 a D4 and a D800
As for the buffer, it will not be an issue...their will be plenty of it to go with the dynamic range.
|SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
I agree that the D7100 set a pretty high bar, as did the D800/e. So we have a little schizophrenia with Nikon. Will they pull a rabbit out of the hat, or let us down? I suspect a little more of the latter than the former. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised.
Edit: At the same time I have a feeling that they do too many cameras, so I am a little confused.
*sigh*
I probably am...
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought"--Albert Szent-Gyorgy
But for using a phone or tablet as an external control panel? Or for quick image viewing before you get home to your PC (the camera could let you view ½Mb versions for snappy performance) . Or if you capture a few images that you really want to send somewhere before you get home. A built-in $10 chip+antenna would be very desirable IMHO, instead of an external dongle-thing. But, sure, it's no deal-breaker for me.
Sigma 70-200/2.8, 105/2.8
Nikon 50/1.4G, 18-200, 80-400G
1 10-30, 30-110
Your D4 sports a Gigabit ethernet port. Now take a close look at how thick and cumbersome but at the same time fragile a CAT5 cable is, and how tightly it's locked in there.
Practically, you'd get a fraction of the most widespread standard, 54MBit/s, that's ~6MByte/s, not counting network overhead. USB 2 & 3 are a lot faster obviously.
I'm not saying it's a must have, or that it's significantly faster than other solutions (it's not!). However, wireless is much less tedious than cable, which has a certain charme. My time machine backups run over wireless to a NAS without me even noticing it or doing anything.
|SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
|SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
That being said, I don't think a D9300 would be hard to make once this comes out, since the 51 pt AF was adapted to the D7100, it shouldn't be all that hard to adapt the D7100 guts to the D750 body.