WELCOME TO THE EXCLUSIVE CLUB

PistnbrokePistnbroke Posts: 1,803Member
I just clicked on the how to register for NR as my son in law wanted to join and was disgusted to find its more difficult than becoming a Mason. You need a recommendation from a member !!! This must surely put off may people and is not a productive process

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  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 3,997Member
    Mostly likely done to filter excessive spam bots joining, but it does seem like an heavy handed move. I'm guessing this thread will be closed and deleted though.
    If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
  • PistnbrokePistnbroke Posts: 1,803Member
    .Yes PB PM that would represent an enlightened approach.
  • NSXTypeRNSXTypeR Posts: 2,058Member
    Didn't know that you had to do that.

    I mean, short of actually meeting a NRF in real life, how could you honestly request for a referral?

    Is there not a way to do a CAPTCHA to see if you're a bot or not?
    Nikon D7000/ Nikon D40/ Nikon FM2/ 18-135 AF-S/ 35mm 1.8 AF-S/ 105mm Macro AF-S/ 50mm 1.2 AI-S
  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 3,997Member
    edited August 18

    .Yes PB PM that would represent an enlightened approach.

    We are talking about the same group that made the forum invite only, so expect the unexpected. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a move to shut the forums down to cut costs. As Nikon’s market share drops, I bet interest in the site has as well (the lack new members being active here during the past 2-3 years, is kind of a hint), which means less ad revenue, which means more money out of pocket for the owner.
    NSXTypeR said:

    Didn't know that you had to do that.

    I mean, short of actually meeting a NRF in real life, how could you honestly request for a referral?

    Is there not a way to do a CAPTCHA to see if you're a bot or not?

    I didn’t know this happened either, we’ve even seen new people post in the thread for new users until very recently.

    There are, but the bots are getting better all the time, which means buying new software to keep up. I don’t think that software is cheap either, but could be wrong.
    Post edited by PB_PM on
    If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 3,997Member
    edited August 18
    Or we could have just read the post made by Peter (The admin) dated July 23...


    “Due to the large amount of spam, the only way to register for the NikonRumors Forum is with an invitation from an existing forum member. You can get an invitation by contacting me directly here:

    https://nikonrumors.com/tips/

    or by contacting any other forum member.

    Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

    Peter”
    Post edited by PB_PM on
    If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
  • PistnbrokePistnbroke Posts: 1,803Member
    edited August 18
    I put some points to Peter and this is what I got in reply..

    Yes, this how it is. You have no idea what it is to deal with all the spam and Russian bots creating hundreds of fake accounts every day.

    CAPTCHA or question about Nikon eg "which Nikon camera comes after the D7100 " just change the question every month...

    I did try the contact form and it said "error try later"

    PS I noted at the bottom of the contact page that " donations are welcome" which I had not seen before and that the site "is protected by CAPTCHA " ???
    Post edited by Pistnbroke on
  • mhedgesmhedges Posts: 1,116Member
    I believe Peter had been on record as saying he doesn’t really care for forums. Certainly the blog posts generate a lot more posting activity by means of the comments.
  • MrFotoFoolMrFotoFool Posts: 28Member
    Interesting development. I am a new member but I guess I joined just before this policy was enacted. Glad I got in just in time because I am not sure I would bother if I had to get a recommendation. Though as I have stated elsewhere I find the inability to upload photos directly without a Flickr account to be irritating. I came from Canon Rumors (just switched camera systems) which has a very nice selection of photo galleries and categories, all inviting direct upload. Though I find my Nikon D850 superior to my Canon 5D4, I find the CanonRumors forum to be superior to the NikonRumors forum.
  • NSXTypeRNSXTypeR Posts: 2,058Member
    PB_PM said:

    .Yes PB PM that would represent an enlightened approach.

    We are talking about the same group that made the forum invite only, so expect the unexpected. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a move to shut the forums down to cut costs. As Nikon’s market share drops, I bet interest in the site has as well (the lack new members being active here during the past 2-3 years, is kind of a hint), which means less ad revenue, which means more money out of pocket for the owner.
    NSXTypeR said:

    Didn't know that you had to do that.

    I mean, short of actually meeting a NRF in real life, how could you honestly request for a referral?

    Is there not a way to do a CAPTCHA to see if you're a bot or not?

    I didn’t know this happened either, we’ve even seen new people post in the thread for new users until very recently.

    There are, but the bots are getting better all the time, which means buying new software to keep up. I don’t think that software is cheap either, but could be wrong.
    I don't blame him, running any site is expensive and time consuming.

    I certainly haven't been posting with the same regularity as I had before, especially with the changes with Flickr and hosting photos.
    Nikon D7000/ Nikon D40/ Nikon FM2/ 18-135 AF-S/ 35mm 1.8 AF-S/ 105mm Macro AF-S/ 50mm 1.2 AI-S
  • Capt_SpauldingCapt_Spaulding Posts: 493Member
    There was an announcement of the change a while back in which Peter explained the rationale and proposed some workarounds.

    That said - if it leads to this forum's demise, I for one, will be the worse off. I find the people and conversation here, as well as the interstate and trans Atlantic acquaintances made, very rewarding.

  • PistnbrokePistnbroke Posts: 1,803Member
    Well I like Nikon rumors because its not full of newbies asking basic questions .In truth I have been thrown off most forums (nikonites nikonians) mainly because I was stupid enough to post in the wedding section and upset the clique.
    I can understand that Peter does not like forums, his reply to my question on this subject and offer of help produced a reply verging on the rude.
  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 3,997Member
    The irony of those comments coming from the same person who complained about the forum being becoming invite only is simply golden.
    If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
  • NSXTypeRNSXTypeR Posts: 2,058Member

    There was an announcement of the change a while back in which Peter explained the rationale and proposed some workarounds.

    That said - if it leads to this forum's demise, I for one, will be the worse off. I find the people and conversation here, as well as the interstate and trans Atlantic acquaintances made, very rewarding.

    I think it's great to bounce ideas off people. Facebook groups are terrible, you just get trolls everywhere. I was very late to the game, but Google Plus was also a great community of like minded people where you can expect honest answers. I got to use it maybe a year before its demise unfortunately.
    Nikon D7000/ Nikon D40/ Nikon FM2/ 18-135 AF-S/ 35mm 1.8 AF-S/ 105mm Macro AF-S/ 50mm 1.2 AI-S
  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,035Moderator

    I just clicked on the how to register for NR as my son in law wanted to join and was disgusted to find its more difficult than becoming a Mason. You need a recommendation from a member !!! This must surely put off may people and is not a productive process

    The reason for this is simple: Spammers. It got to the stage where I was having to vet up to 70 applicants a day to find the occasional one genuine applicant. As I am the only moderator around here I was not prepared to spend that amount of time (for free!) on NR. I approached a couple of people to help out but they were unable to help so this is the only workable solution until an update/upgrade can be done to the forum.

    I am surprised you didn't PM me @Pistnbroke - I could have told you the reason without all this hoo-hah.
    Always learning.
  • PistnbrokePistnbroke Posts: 1,803Member
    Its not hoo-ha its genuine concern as you can see from the comments of other respected members.
  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,035Moderator
    If anybody is concerned enough that they want to help out, they are free to PM me.
    Always learning.
  • PistnbrokePistnbroke Posts: 1,803Member
    I already offered Peter my help..maybe we want a membership sec to revew applications via a revised more "difficult " application form
  • WestEndFotoWestEndFoto Posts: 2,984Member
    There may actually be a strategy here. Why not make it an exclusive club and promote that. The current members can be grandfathered. We might attract high quality members.

    Peter, are you listening.......
  • manhattanboymanhattanboy Posts: 995Member
    We should make an exclusive club card. Maybe a picture of a Nikon camera with a lens and in the lens reflection it says
    Nikon Rumors Forum
    Exclusive Member
    :)

    In all seriousness, not having new members is going to suck. How else are we going to be able to tell people how to spend all their money! :p
  • PistnbrokePistnbroke Posts: 1,803Member
    Having let some time pass and given it some thought this I think is the situation.
    Clearly spray n pray is not anti forum or he would not give his time for free .I looked at the other Rumors thinking they all had forums but no only L mount has a forum and the registration is very simple..fill in the details and you are in. I was once global moderator for a Nikon form called Nikon Zen ..it lasted about 18 months because after about 6 months you went to the site each day and nothing had been posted , so you stopped bothering and so did everyone else. If you restrict membership eventually it dies. One way to stop spammers is to have there first 5 post vetted. I have offered my services but no response. So I conclude the "problem" is Peter . He is the one making money out of it so he has the last say.
  • NSXTypeRNSXTypeR Posts: 2,058Member

    Having let some time pass and given it some thought this I think is the situation.
    Clearly spray n pray is not anti forum or he would not give his time for free .I looked at the other Rumors thinking they all had forums but no only L mount has a forum and the registration is very simple..fill in the details and you are in. I was once global moderator for a Nikon form called Nikon Zen ..it lasted about 18 months because after about 6 months you went to the site each day and nothing had been posted , so you stopped bothering and so did everyone else. If you restrict membership eventually it dies. One way to stop spammers is to have there first 5 post vetted. I have offered my services but no response. So I conclude the "problem" is Peter . He is the one making money out of it so he has the last say.

    I wouldn't call it a "problem", more of a preference. Of course he has last say. It's nice to have a place to come to for gear discussion/advice, all for free. Of course all this could be done for way cheaper on Facebook or some other public social media too, but from my experience, Facebook is way too accessible and becomes a cesspool of trolls and 10 year olds posting memes that have no business being there. Google Plus was nice in a similar way in that it was a large group of like minded people and obscure enough that people not in the know wouldn't be there.
    Nikon D7000/ Nikon D40/ Nikon FM2/ 18-135 AF-S/ 35mm 1.8 AF-S/ 105mm Macro AF-S/ 50mm 1.2 AI-S
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