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Options For lens Upgrades DX to FX

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  • JJ_SOJJ_SO Posts: 1,158Member
    Most people do divorce after they got married, but that's only the first time. :D

    I thought as well, I could always use D800 for DX. It only happens for test shots. On the other hand, would I be happy with fat ass D800 and DX lenses? Knowing so much potential is not used? Waiting for THE rights lens? Being me, I would not enjoy shooting with a 2nd choice and always think on the first choice, and if I only would have it, then...

    I'm no big help, unable to adapt to high class body and lenses made for smaller sensors. I was just lucky that NIkon brought the new stuff in chronologically and financially acceptable order to me. But I would exclude 24-85 from your options, if you don't mind. I will try to sell mine It's meant as a kit lens for D600, I guess, not really bad but nothing one uses with the same pleasure as 24-70, 24-120 or a lovely prime..
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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    @spraynpray

    You need to find the WAF for each lens you purchase.
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  • sevencrossingsevencrossing Posts: 2,800Member
    edited April 2013

    ......I am seriously thinking D800 first followed quickly by 24-120
    Good thinking, this is a fab combination

    Go for it NOW

    before we change your mind



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  • RilleRille Posts: 1Member
    Have you considered the old Nikon 28-70 2.8? Its a great lens, just a bit more ca and flare than the 24-70. You can get it for a resonable price. I use it with my D800, and Im very pleased with it, I sometimes miss the 4mm on the wide end (I used a Sigma 24-70 2.8 before I bought the Nikon).
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    @JJ_SO: If I do have to go that way, I will be so pleased to have only the D800 I will be patient for the other lenses. :^o

    @Msmoto - WAF?

    @seven: "before we change your mind" LOL! I really want that combo!

    @Rille: I would really miss that 4mm as I am often on 18mm with my DX. If I had the 16-85VR I may not be quite so urgently looking at changing lenses and so making the jump from DX to FX. My favourite genres all are between 16-85 on DX and so the 24-120 for FX really suits me especially with the good VR helping me with the shakes.

    If swmbo says OK, I will do something expensive this weekend....
    Always learning.
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    edited April 2013
    @spraynpray: I have a feeling your wife love and passion for you out ways the funds you might (shall) spend on your passion. One of the best ways to hedge against such fears however, is to get her into photography...if she cares for it. Hence, the old saying: "If you can't beat them, join them!"

    As for you path, I'm on your side in that combination being a great beginning. Just wait and see the results you will be able to capture. I know that "ahhh" feeling the day my D4 arrived and to this day, it has not left me. This is my (our) hobby....and a healthy one at that. I look forward to seeing, and hearing your thoughts in moving to the FX world. We have a chair that has your name on it for a good time now...so by all means come claim it!

    Cheers :)
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    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    edited April 2013
    She has a D3100 that she doesn't use enough Golf so 'upgrading' her to a D7000 isn't going to work ;)

    I tried the :o3 look but she is immune so I will have to take a brave pill and actually talk to her about it. She can only say no eh? Yeah, right....if only.... $-)
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    edited April 2013
    Proceed with caution. So long as this purchase does not put you and your family in some financial difficulty then all should be fine. You marriage is far far more valuable than your hobby. The D800 will be here for you to posses when you are ready and all your ducks are in order....if you know what I mean.

    If all else fails, it is my understanding that some females have a weakness for dark chocolate...if never hurts to have some sweets when entering the lions den. :P
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    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • TaoTeJaredTaoTeJared Posts: 1,306Member
    edited April 2013
    OK, here are my latest thoughts: Flog my 11-16 Tok, 35/1.8 Nik, 50/1.4 Nik, 18-105 Nik and 70-300 Nik and get 16-35 VR and 85/1.8 followed by 24-120 VR later and 80-400 (old) later still. That will leave me nicely poised to get the D800 when the next round of rebates come round. Sorted. What do yous guys think? I would love to get the 24-120 sooner but my marriage is worth more :P
    You will want a 50mm for FX - it is a world of difference on a larger sensor - looks/feels much different than the 35mm on DX - hard to describe, but it is much better. 1.8 or 1.4, hell you can find old stock 1.8Ds going for $100. Those are easy to upgrade.

    I keep renting the 24-120vr until I scrape enough together to finally get one. (That range is low on my list of needs.) It performs great wide open, which for me is the selling point. At 24mm it has a fair amount of distortion, but if you are getting the 16-35, you have that covered when you need a distortion free image. If that is what you were looking at before, then that is probably the direction you should go.

    You have to take care in using the 70-300vr. If you Shutter speed is 1/450th or higher, YOU HAVE TO TURN OFF THE VR. If you don't the VR causes blurry images. On DX you have to make sure the shutter speed is at least equal to the focal length if not 1.5x of the focal length. Let the ISO rise to do this. I shoot mine at f8-11 and get sharp images all the time. I love the 70-300vr but it's not a prime. My old Tokina 300m 2.8 is much sharper, but also more expensive, and 10x heaver, not nearly as hand holdable and a pain to carry. Sadly, because of this, it sits on my shelf most of the time. I actually find myself using the 70-200vr1 with the 1.7 more than the 300 since it is much lighter and 1.7 is easy to take everywhere. You might look into that with either the 2x (newest version) or 1.7x TCs - it is almost like getting two lenses that are very sharp.

    I have said it before, DXO does not test lenses, they test sensors with different lenses in front of them. Their roll up scores are a bunch of bogus.... I look at their vignetting, and distortion and that is it.
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    D800, D300, D50(ir converted), FujiX100, Canon G11, Olympus TG2. Nikon lenses - 24mm 2.8, 35mm 1.8, (5 in all)50mm, 60mm, 85mm 1.8, 105vr, 105 f2.5, 180mm 2.8, 70-200vr1, 24-120vr f4. Tokina 12-24mm, 16-28mm, 28-70mm (angenieux design), 300mm f2.8. Sigma 15mm fisheye. Voigtlander R2 (olive) & R2a, Voigt 35mm 2.5, Zeiss 50mm f/2, Leica 90mm f/4. I know I missed something...
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    That is good advice Tao, thanks.

    Tell me - doesn't LR remove the distortion of the 24-120@24? I ask because I will have to wait for the 16-35 if I get the body. I have the 50/1.4 but was going to out it in favour of the 85/1.8 as it is sharper and a better length or portraits on the FX sensor. I came up on 35mm film and only used the 50 back then because I had no 28mm or 35mm, once I had an alternative the 50 just didn't get used. I am not saying I am right or anybody else is wrong, just that is the case.

    I suppose I could keep the 50 for a short while and sell it later if I feel the same still.

    Regarding your comments on the 70-300VR, maybe you have a point there. Perhaps I should try shutter priority and a touch of auto ISO to keep the speed up instead of aperture priority. Thanks for making me think.
    Always learning.
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  • sevencrossingsevencrossing Posts: 2,800Member
    edited April 2013


    Tell me - doesn't LR remove the distortion of the 24-120@24? .
    It certainly does

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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    @spraynpray

    WAF = Wife Acceptance Factor or Wife Approval Factor. Has to do with the appeal of an object to females.. some of us like big lenses...LOL
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    Ah - LOL!

    Well first pass at the WAF is not good. I have a camera which is not wornout or broken so why do I want another - and it costs HOW MUCH? b-(

    I'll try the dripping tap method next.....
    Always learning.
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  • dissentdissent Posts: 1,355Member
    Not broken? What's the matter; don't you have a hammer? :P

    Show her that video of Kai from Digital Rev. Promise to never do it again.
    - Ian . . . [D7000, D7100; Nikon glass: 35 f1.8, 85 f1.8, 70-300 VR, 105 f2.8 VR, 12-24 f4; 16-85 VR, 300 f4D, 14E-II TC, SB-400, SB-700 . . . and still plenty of ignorance]
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  • sevencrossingsevencrossing Posts: 2,800Member
    edited April 2013
    x
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    edited April 2013
    LOL all! @seven - I tried the shoes/handbags trip but it didn't work (strangely) :-q
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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    I suppose we should get back to the idea of lens selection for upgrade to full frame.....ahhh....
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  • JJ_SOJJ_SO Posts: 1,158Member
    edited April 2013
    Absolutely! ;;) I would suggest, her next handbag should be a bit larger than usual. Otherwise it would be difficult for her to carry your lenses, spnp. And as for the shoes, something nice, rain resisting and comfortable, maybe she needs to carry them over longer distances.
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  • TaoTeJaredTaoTeJared Posts: 1,306Member
    WAF = Wife Acceptance Factor or Wife Approval Factor. ...
    Wouldn't have guessed that!
    That is good advice Tao, thanks.

    Tell me - doesn't LR remove the distortion of the 24-120@24? I ask because I will have to wait for the 16-35 if I get the body. I have the 50/1.4 but was going to out it in favour of the 85/1.8 as it is sharper and a better length or portraits on the FX sensor. I came up on 35mm film and only used the 50 back then because I had no 28mm or 35mm, once I had an alternative the 50 just didn't get used. I am not saying I am right or anybody else is wrong, just that is the case.

    I suppose I could keep the 50 for a short while and sell it later if I feel the same still.

    Regarding your comments on the 70-300VR, maybe you have a point there. Perhaps I should try shutter priority and a touch of auto ISO to keep the speed up instead of aperture priority. Thanks for making me think.
    Lr does remove distortion - I never have it on "auto" on. When I have rented it I was using it for conference event shooting - I just shoot jpegs and the D800 "auto" corrected most of the distortion and vignetting. I know for some, it is a big deal, that is the only reason I mention it.

    I hear you on the 50mm - I fell back into love with it, but some prefer 28/35mm or others. The difference in bokeh is there for sure. I think it is worth trying.

    Switching to S and auto iso (d800 I set it down two clicks) made a dramatic improvement as well as remembering to turn the VR off. If you play with it, you should see a difference quickly.
    D800, D300, D50(ir converted), FujiX100, Canon G11, Olympus TG2. Nikon lenses - 24mm 2.8, 35mm 1.8, (5 in all)50mm, 60mm, 85mm 1.8, 105vr, 105 f2.5, 180mm 2.8, 70-200vr1, 24-120vr f4. Tokina 12-24mm, 16-28mm, 28-70mm (angenieux design), 300mm f2.8. Sigma 15mm fisheye. Voigtlander R2 (olive) & R2a, Voigt 35mm 2.5, Zeiss 50mm f/2, Leica 90mm f/4. I know I missed something...
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    edited April 2013
    Still....struggling....not looking good.......may have to spit dummy..... >:)

    That chair may have to have a reserved sign put on it Golf....
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    edited April 2013
    @spraynpray: It has not been removed...it is for you to do so. Hope all goes well you :)
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    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • KnockKnockKnockKnock Posts: 400Member
    Ah, please, one more comment on WAF :-) I think it comes from the audiophile world where equipment is both expensive and (speakers especially) can intrude into the living space. For the not-yet-married, it's sometimes referred to as GAF.

    End Off-Topic
    D7100, D60, 35mm f/1.8 DX, 50mm f/1.4, 18-105mm DX, 18-55mm VR II, Sony RX-100 ii
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    @KnockKnock: GAF equivalent is WTF...in case you did not know. :P
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • proudgeekproudgeek Posts: 1,422Member
    Just a thought: If GAF is low, you might want to think twice about upgrading your system to accept WAF. There's generally very little improvement.
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    Oh, she G'sAF ok. - ain't gonna happen. Had my D7K's sensor cleaned today and am changing my 18-105 for a 16-85 to fit better with my 11-16 as that end of the range gets 95% of my use and will bide my time for one year then swap it all for a D800 - unless the D400 is a killer body! ;))
    Always learning.
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