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  • AdeAde Posts: 1,071Member
    The refurbished price means squat to the new DSLR market. It only makes a "purchase" decision for the Second buyer. It was already purchased once and the margin was already achieved so companies do not care.
    That's generally not true for consumer electronics. The vast majority of consumer refurbs are from returns (for whatever reason) -- which means that reversing accounting entries would have been made against the original sale.

    Typically, a "second buyer" scenario only happens when "off-lease" products get refurbished for sale. But almost no one leases consumer DSLRs.

    With Sony announcing the A7S tomorrow, any speculation on the 9300 release date?
    We have two rumors going... D9300 and D800S... I wonder which one will come first? I'm guessing D9300 before summer and D800S closer to Photokina (Sept).
  • manhattanboymanhattanboy Posts: 1,003Member
    Any word on the 7Dm2? Mark my words.... (pun intended)
    In May.

    We have two rumors going... D9300 and D800S... I wonder which one will come first? I'm guessing D9300 before summer and D800S closer to Photokina (Sept).
    Nikon probably has the 9300 completed and is just waiting to time the announcement based off of Canon's 7D announcement in May. Let's hope Canon is not waiting on Nikon to announce first LOL, otherwise we are back to this multiyear long game of chicken.
  • NSXTypeRNSXTypeR Posts: 2,247Member
    I would like to see a D2x body style in the new D9300 that includes WiFi, GPS and a flash up top. The D7200 or whatever the D7100 replacement will be should also get GPS and WiFi as the D5300 has it too, along with a decent buffer upgrade. Thus the D7100 will be more of a D300s replacement and the D9300 will sit side by side next to D4s as a high speed DX camera.

    But it certainly would not be fit for me, as I haven't even come close to mastering the AF capabilities of the D7000 yet. My theory now is to run the D7000 into the ground first before I even consider replacing the thing.
    Nikon D7000/ Nikon D40/ Nikon FM2/ 18-135 AF-S/ 35mm 1.8 AF-S/ 105mm Macro AF-S/ 50mm 1.2 AI-S
  • donaldejosedonaldejose Posts: 3,415Member
    "My theory now is to run the D7000 into the ground first before I even consider replacing the thing." Very sensible. But then, if we all did this our throw-away consumption economy would fall apart!
  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 4,493Member
    With Sony announcing the A7S tomorrow, any speculation on the 9300 release date?
    They are not competing directly (full frame vs crop) so I doubt it would have any bearing on the release of the D9300.
    I would like to see a D2x body style in the new D9300 that includes WiFi, GPS and a flash up top.
    It's highly unlikely that the D9300 would have a built in grip, simply as a result of it not being a flagship model.
    If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
  • NSXTypeRNSXTypeR Posts: 2,247Member
    edited April 2014
    "My theory now is to run the D7000 into the ground first before I even consider replacing the thing." Very sensible. But then, if we all did this our throw-away consumption economy would fall apart!
    You're right, all the companies would go bankrupt if people thought that way. But my financial situation decides that. :D
    With Sony announcing the A7S tomorrow, any speculation on the 9300 release date?
    They are not competing directly (full frame vs crop) so I doubt it would have any bearing on the release of the D9300.
    I would like to see a D2x body style in the new D9300 that includes WiFi, GPS and a flash up top.
    It's highly unlikely that the D9300 would have a built in grip, simply as a result of it not being a flagship model.
    I can see it happening as it would be the DX flagship, but of course I'm just purely speculating.
    Post edited by NSXTypeR on
    Nikon D7000/ Nikon D40/ Nikon FM2/ 18-135 AF-S/ 35mm 1.8 AF-S/ 105mm Macro AF-S/ 50mm 1.2 AI-S
  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 4,493Member
    As was the D300, yet it retained the semi-pro body.
    If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
  • donaldejosedonaldejose Posts: 3,415Member
    But, Nikon may be bold and do things we do not expect. I hope so!
  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 4,493Member
    edited April 2014
    Nikon and bold, kind of an oxymoron. :P
    Post edited by PB_PM on
    If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
  • TaoTeJaredTaoTeJared Posts: 1,306Member
    edited April 2014
    The refurbished price means squat to the new DSLR market. It only makes a "purchase" decision for the Second buyer. It was already purchased once and the margin was already achieved so companies do not care.
    That's generally not true for consumer electronics. The vast majority of consumer refurbs are from returns (for whatever reason) -- which means that reversing accounting entries would have been made against the original sale.

    Typically, a "second buyer" scenario only happens when "off-lease" products get refurbished for sale. But almost no one leases consumer DSLRs.
    Ade you must be bored and trolling yet again as you are 100% wrong, once again. If you actually understood accounting, you would know you do not "reverse" entries only new one's are added. I could go into the intricacies of accounting and GAAP but that is a discussion for an accounting site - not here.

    Simply, returns that go to refurbs come from returned store sales, therefore the camera was already paid for at the store, and a new camera was given to replace it. Returned items do not go back in to "new" inventory but service inventory - hence why they go through a refurbished process to be sold again.
    Post edited by TaoTeJared on
    D800, D300, D50(ir converted), FujiX100, Canon G11, Olympus TG2. Nikon lenses - 24mm 2.8, 35mm 1.8, (5 in all)50mm, 60mm, 85mm 1.8, 105vr, 105 f2.5, 180mm 2.8, 70-200vr1, 24-120vr f4. Tokina 12-24mm, 16-28mm, 28-70mm (angenieux design), 300mm f2.8. Sigma 15mm fisheye. Voigtlander R2 (olive) & R2a, Voigt 35mm 2.5, Zeiss 50mm f/2, Leica 90mm f/4. I know I missed something...
  • TaoTeJaredTaoTeJared Posts: 1,306Member
    With Sony announcing the A7S tomorrow, any speculation on the 9300 release date?
    Late July - September - as usual. Rush is through by Xmas so bodies are in stores.
    I would like to see a D2x body style in the new D9300 that includes WiFi, GPS and a flash up top. The D7200 or whatever the D7100 replacement will be should also get GPS and WiFi as the D5300 has it too, along with a decent buffer upgrade. Thus the D7100 will be more of a D300s replacement and the D9300 will sit side by side next to D4s as a high speed DX camera.
    I'm not sure what the difference would be with the grip vs D2x. My D300 is still feels like a tank in comparison to the D7xxx series (although they have gotten much better). Seeing the A7s, It does give me some hope that there could be a lower MP sensor with an amazing high ISO abilities for DX. If it could match the ratings of the D600 but only 16mp, that would be an awesome camera.
    D800, D300, D50(ir converted), FujiX100, Canon G11, Olympus TG2. Nikon lenses - 24mm 2.8, 35mm 1.8, (5 in all)50mm, 60mm, 85mm 1.8, 105vr, 105 f2.5, 180mm 2.8, 70-200vr1, 24-120vr f4. Tokina 12-24mm, 16-28mm, 28-70mm (angenieux design), 300mm f2.8. Sigma 15mm fisheye. Voigtlander R2 (olive) & R2a, Voigt 35mm 2.5, Zeiss 50mm f/2, Leica 90mm f/4. I know I missed something...
  • DaveyJDaveyJ Posts: 1,085Member
    I think price is still relevant. Sure is to me in "retirement". I would buy a D7200 faster than a D9300 as I believe the D9300 will be by my standards overpriced. On the other hand if it has a D4s AF system, maybe it would push some who agonize over spending money they can barely afford to BUY! One thing I am convinced the D9300 is going to be one of Nikons biggest sellers and money makers EVER!
  • snakebunksnakebunk Posts: 991Member
    My D300 is still feels like a tank in comparison to the D7xxx series (although they have gotten much better).
    I agree. I even think the D300 feels better than the D800. This is the build quality I hope to see in the D9300.
  • AdeAde Posts: 1,071Member

    Simply, returns that go to refurbs come from returned store sales, therefore the camera was already paid for at the store, and a new camera was given to replace it. Returned items do not go back in to "new" inventory but service inventory - hence why they go through a refurbished process to be sold again.
    Google "Sales Returns and Allowances". When a product is returned, that return has to be accounted for. There's no free lunch.

    At the distributor this is typically done by debiting a Sales Returns account and crediting the Accounts Receivable account. Sales Returns is a contra-revenue account (Net Sales = Sales - Sales Returns).

    It should be obvious then that a sales return effectively reverses the original sale and undoes any "margin" from that sale. Nikon or any other manufacturer cannot receive returned cameras "for free" to refurbish and sell a second time.

    So back to D9300 pricing, @manhattanboy's point about refurbished prices cannot be dismissed out of hand, due to poor understanding of GAAP.
  • TaoTeJaredTaoTeJared Posts: 1,306Member
    Ade you should stick to your programming world and not venture and pretend to that reading a Google search makes you knowledgeable. That response is just laughable. You are finding the terms but don't understand what they mean - for about the thousandth time. Only a Troll wants to argue a topic other the one the thread is on.

    D800, D300, D50(ir converted), FujiX100, Canon G11, Olympus TG2. Nikon lenses - 24mm 2.8, 35mm 1.8, (5 in all)50mm, 60mm, 85mm 1.8, 105vr, 105 f2.5, 180mm 2.8, 70-200vr1, 24-120vr f4. Tokina 12-24mm, 16-28mm, 28-70mm (angenieux design), 300mm f2.8. Sigma 15mm fisheye. Voigtlander R2 (olive) & R2a, Voigt 35mm 2.5, Zeiss 50mm f/2, Leica 90mm f/4. I know I missed something...
  • TaoTeJaredTaoTeJared Posts: 1,306Member
    I think price is still relevant. Sure is to me in "retirement". I would buy a D7200 faster than a D9300 as I believe the D9300 will be by my standards overpriced. On the other hand if it has a D4s AF system, maybe it would push some who agonize over spending money they can barely afford to BUY! One thing I am convinced the D9300 is going to be one of Nikons biggest sellers and money makers EVER!
    I do believe that it needs to have the D4s's AF, Metering, etc., systems for there to be a real Value for people to desire it. It will be a tougher sale is it has the older AF system from the D4/D800. Interestingly, most people who have owned this level of a body in the past are those who need the "pro" features but just can't justify spending $5k-15k for a full-frame format system.
    D800, D300, D50(ir converted), FujiX100, Canon G11, Olympus TG2. Nikon lenses - 24mm 2.8, 35mm 1.8, (5 in all)50mm, 60mm, 85mm 1.8, 105vr, 105 f2.5, 180mm 2.8, 70-200vr1, 24-120vr f4. Tokina 12-24mm, 16-28mm, 28-70mm (angenieux design), 300mm f2.8. Sigma 15mm fisheye. Voigtlander R2 (olive) & R2a, Voigt 35mm 2.5, Zeiss 50mm f/2, Leica 90mm f/4. I know I missed something...
  • PhotobugPhotobug Posts: 5,751Member
    I think price is still relevant. Sure is to me in "retirement". I would buy a D7200 faster than a D9300 as I believe the D9300 will be by my standards overpriced. On the other hand if it has a D4s AF system, maybe it would push some who agonize over spending money they can barely afford to BUY! One thing I am convinced the D9300 is going to be one of Nikons biggest sellers and money makers EVER!
    This applies to me as well. Although not flushed with $$$$ there has got to be a good justification to buy a new or replacement lens or to upgrade the DSLR body. I am in a great position as my slush fund is fat right now. If it has all the features I need and is better than the D7100, I am doing a preorder.

    Two eyars ago I would agree with your that the D9300 would be their biggest seller. Now after so many gave up on the D400 and moved to the D600 and D7100 I am not sure it will be Nikon's biggest seller. However, I do believe it will sell like hot cakes for the first six months.

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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,487Moderator
    I think price is still relevant. Sure is to me in "retirement". I would buy a D7200 faster than a D9300 as I believe the D9300 will be by my standards overpriced. On the other hand if it has a D4s AF system, maybe it would push some who agonize over spending money they can barely afford to BUY! One thing I am convinced the D9300 is going to be one of Nikons biggest sellers and money makers EVER!
    This applies to me as well. Although not flushed with $$$$ there has got to be a good justification to buy a new or replacement lens or to upgrade the DSLR body. I am in a great position as my slush fund is fat right now. If it has all the features I need and is better than the D7100, I am doing a preorder.

    Two eyars ago I would agree with your that the D9300 would be their biggest seller. Now after so many gave up on the D400 and moved to the D600 and D7100 I am not sure it will be Nikon's biggest seller. However, I do believe it will sell like hot cakes for the first six months.

    It's horses for courses. I dabbled in B'sIF yesterday and was pleased with my D7100's AF abilities and it is certainly good at night - the other difficult area - so unless the D9300's IQ is a good step better than the D7100's (like the D7100's was better than the D7000's), That ship has sailed for me. I'd have an 80-400G before a new body as the D7100 REALLY makes my 70-300 look soft.
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  • SquamishPhotoSquamishPhoto Posts: 608Member
    Ade you should stick to your programming world and not venture and pretend to that reading a Google search makes you knowledgeable. That response is just laughable. You are finding the terms but don't understand what they mean - for about the thousandth time. Only a Troll wants to argue a topic other the one the thread is on.
    And yet you provide no refutation, just lots of bluster. Im not gonna lie, its painful reading the back and forth from the two of you, but its worth pointing out how personally you seem to take everything. You come off angry and obsessed with being perceived as the last word on all things photo and business related. You're not, and you do a terrible job defending your positions and too often resort to ad hominem attacks to wiggle your way out of the argument. Ade isn't a troll, he's just happy to have a debate with you when you say something demonstrably false. Evidenced by your behaviour, you'd rather have a pissing match than a conversation.

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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    OK, boys, lets get back to the discussion of the points at issue and not worry about what another states. This is a forum, all opinions are valid, and determination of how factually true an item is will work itself out in each individuals mind.

    We all have opinions, and some are quite different from each other. Please, simply state your positions and avoid dishing another poster.

    Thanks,
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  • manhattanboymanhattanboy Posts: 1,003Member

    It's horses for courses. I dabbled in B'sIF yesterday and was pleased with my D7100's AF abilities and it is certainly good at night - the other difficult area - so unless the D9300's IQ is a good step better than the D7100's (like the D7100's was better than the D7000's), That ship has sailed for me. I'd have an 80-400G before a new body as the D7100 REALLY makes my 70-300 look soft.
    Agree with your assessment although the 7100 still has trouble maintaining focus as the birds take massive turns. The only things that would prompt me personally to upgrade at this point are quiet continuous mode shooting (for indoor events...for example try having a machine gun sounding 7100 snap photos during vows LOL) and wifi (which is really fun for taking photos with you in the picture).

    +1 for the new lens over another body. The 7100's pixels are too tiny for cheap lenses.
  • rbrylawskirbrylawski Posts: 222Member
    Whatever it turns out to be, I hope it puts to rest the common thought that DX is dead and FX is the "ONLY" way to go. For me and I know many others, DX is all we need and continues to produce amazing images, even in low light.
    Nikon D7100; AF-S DX 35mm f1.8; AF-S DX Macro 40mm f2.8; AF-S DX 18-200mm VRII; SB-700 Speed Light and a bunch of other not very noteworthy stuff......
  • heartyfisherheartyfisher Posts: 3,182Member
    I quite like the new 18-140 and the 18-300 in terms of IQ.. it bodes well for future DX lenses from Nikon. Hopefully nikon has actually noticed the 18-35 from sigma and the 11-16 from tokina and with the D9300 they could finally introduce some really nice DX lenses.
    Moments of Light - D610 D7K S5pro 70-200f4 18-200 150f2.8 12-24 18-70 35-70f2.8 : C&C very welcome!
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  • CoastalconnCoastalconn Posts: 527Member
    I really wish I knew what the deal with the D9300 is really going to be if it really exists. I struggled all winter with my Sigma 120-300 F2.8 on the D7100 with AF. Even static objects. Thought it might be the lens and had a trip to Sigma. They did replace the focus motor and the mount, but the issues continued. I finally realized the camera was just a lemon so it is being repaired now. I've been shooting with my friends D600 and FX isn't as bad as I thought it would be. But one thing it did was show me how awesome the Sigma is. So now I am thinking about cancelling my Tamron 150-600 preorder and saving that money for the D9300. It just kind of sucks not knowing. What if the D9300 is a mini DF?... yuck.
  • heartyfisherheartyfisher Posts: 3,182Member
    "What if the D9300 is a mini DF?... yuck." LOL
    I have gone to a D610 .. Like you say .. Its not too bad. :-) i am thinking of getting the 150-600 .. always loved shooting birds but never had the tools to do a proper job of it. I have an old 200-400 5.6 tamron and its nice when I used it on all of my previous cameras but for some reason it hunts on the D610 :-( . Maybe I will just need to use it as a manual focus lens ...
    Moments of Light - D610 D7K S5pro 70-200f4 18-200 150f2.8 12-24 18-70 35-70f2.8 : C&C very welcome!
    Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.

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