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The new 800mm f/5.6E FL ED VR with the AF-S Teleconverter TC800-1.25E ED?

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  • SymphoticSymphotic Posts: 711Member
    edited February 2013
    My son sent me this link. It is a picture of Canon's new super-telephoto.

    http://9gag.com/gag/6505906
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  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 4,494Member
    No, no that's Cannon's super telephoto. ;)
    If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
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  • DenverShooterDenverShooter Posts: 416Member
    LOL

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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    edited February 2013
    On the D400 thread the lenses and camera sizes were getting into the mix, so, how big is the 800mm relative to the others...
    Lens________________Weight___Length_____________________________Weight_____Length

    600/4______________5060gm 445mm long........./plus 1.4X_______5260gm 470mm long
    400/2.8____________4620gm 368mm long........./plus 2X_________4932gm 414mm long
    800/5.6____________4590gm 461mm long........./plus 1.2X_______4825gm 477mm long
    TC20_______________312gm 46mm
    TC1.4______________200gm 25mm
    TC8001.2__________135gm 16mm

    The biggest in diameter, 166mm is the 400mm f/2.8
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  • scoobysmakscoobysmak Posts: 215Member
    Humm guess I need to pull back my comment about the medical team so I can use the 800mm, since I use a 400mm from time to time I guess I should have already have them on standby. lol.

    Well reguardless I don't have the "bankers job" to afford it so I will let others have fun.

    I would love to see the difference in quality from a 800mm shot and a 400mm with a 2X shot. I don't see it being 9k difference but we will only know after someone gets the chance to use it. (common Moose Petterson or Thom Hogan, lol, figure they are NPS members).
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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    edited February 2013
    OK, for the real "Big Gun" (Shown with a Hasselblad on it)
    ZEISS Apo Sonnar T* 4/1700 -The World's Largest Telephoto Lens
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/2006/10/1/zeiss1700f4
    Probably in the several million dollars...weighs in at 256 Kg....
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  • adamzadamz Posts: 842Moderator
    as I missed this discussion let me put my 2c. IMHO, it's gonna be a great lens for all wildlifers/birders. I have it already on my wish list... though I can't even afford 200-400/4 right now so to get 800/5.6 will take some time :) size wise is not gonna be bigger than 600/f4 so there's little hope to put this glass in carry on. I heard that Nikon Poland will put it into display soon in their location so will try to get it from them for a shoot.

    @scoobysmak - well, as with all lenses the quality can't be logically pointed to higher price, though there are some things You can't do with paying the price. 70-200/2.8 with TC2.0 will never give You 400/2.8, neith 200/f2 with TC2 will give You f2.8. 400/2.8 with TC2.0 will actually give You 800mm/5.6 but can You add another TC to it and still use it? theoretically You could put tc1.4 on 800/5.6 and get a sweet 1100/f8 lens. the question is, will You be able to use it? getting better zoom doesn't always mean to get better picture as with longer distance between You and Your subject You get some additional factors in the game. that's why I think this glass is twice the price of 400/2.8 - to eliminate some of the factors.
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    edited February 2013
    @Msmoto That Zeiss is just "sick." 564 pounds....might as well get one of those military hummers and mount it on top of it as your tripod. Moreover, I think it is right up there with the Lecia 1600mm f/5.6 @ a cool $2,000,000 which only weights 132 pounds. Mind you these "big guns" are for civilian use...the US military has goods that puts all these to shame :P

    Now with respect to the 800mm, I agree with you Adamz this is an amazing lens. Personally, I have no use for this focal length....if I did I would get it. The 300 2.8 or the 400 2.8 are more to my usage. Leaning toward the 300 but who knows...I might pull the trigger on the 400 2.8 if I keep listening to msmoto.

    Side Note: With respect to price on the items of this class, I find it puzzling that people find themselves shocked by it. Take a step back and think of the many items humans buy every day. A luxury car will run you from $40K and up....sports cars even more. Ever go to a high-class restaurant and look at the wine list....they usually start at $500 and go as high as $9K...we are talking grapes here and by the nights end those that have consumed and paid for it are going to piss it out. Just the other day, Valentines day, I was hired to make a special deliver and pick up a check. Item being delivered was a diamond earring, dollar amount on the check $33,500. The point I'm trying to make, price is relative. Those of us that have access to the funds in getting what they seek, more power to them....the rest is gravy. This lens will last a long time, hold is value and deliver the result that will make us all envious in owning one.
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    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    edited February 2013
    In San Antonio at Tiffany's, I tried on a very nice diamond ring...and, it was only $275,000. Geez...it takes my breath away just thinking about this.

    Golf, if you want something more versatile, the 300mm f/2.8 is the way to go. Handhold-able, one can stick on a TC20 and get 600mm...then, if you decide on something longer...800mm...

    I think to determine the primary use is what dictates the equipment. Of course, for me the budget is critical.

    Oh, if someone does get the new 800mm, like in Denver, I hope you do not lose the lens hood...over $1000 to replace...
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  • DenverShooterDenverShooter Posts: 416Member
    edited February 2013
    The 600mm F/4 lens hood is $560...

    Denver Shooter
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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    edited February 2013
    The 400mm f/2.8 Hood is $618, the front cover is $88. The 800mm hood....$1079....

    I sure hope some Colorado shooter enjoys this...LOL

    Oh, the MTF Cart on this from Nikon
    Nikon 800mm MTF Chart

    And to compare, the 400mm f/2.8 VRII MTF Chart, again from Nikon
    400mm f2.8 VRII Nikkor MTFChart
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  • DenverShooterDenverShooter Posts: 416Member
    Was out shooting at the Plains Conservation Center on Saturday with the 600mm F/4 and the TC-20 E III and it was just about the right amount of glass.. Was about a mile walk in and I carried the 600 with the TC-2 E III and the D4 on my Wimberley/Gitzo combo. Shot for about an hour while walking with the setup on my shoulder.

    I felt it a bit the next day.

    With the 600 and the TC the camera becomes the accessory to the lens..

    Its interesting to see that the 800 is lighter that the 600. The sooner the better on delivery.


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  • adamzadamz Posts: 842Moderator
    the MTF charts look incredible, I'm wondering when Nikon will put the same tech to 600/4 and 400/2.8 lenses.
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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    Adam, I somehow think the narrower the angle of view, the easier it is to get higher specs. I think this may have to do with field flatness as well. But, the 800mm f/5.6 gives me cold chills...especially when I think about what I have to sell to get one...LOL. And, if one can stick this on crop sensor with the 1.2 TC, 1500mm...yes.
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  • adamzadamz Posts: 842Moderator
    imagine this on Nikon 1 with FT1 :) - 2160mm f5.6 or 2592mm f6.7 or 3024mm f8.00 - that's impressive :D
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    I think I will go for a Vixen Optics...3000mm f/11 and with mount less than $7,000.... :))
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    But it is Not as sexy and that white color....hmm I don't know to much like a Canon :P
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    C'mon Golf, you know you want one....
    Always learning.
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    Are you trying to trap me in getting the 800mm? Lets see now....hmmmm....
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    Just think of the money it will save you in Gym membership - just carrying it is a work out!
    Always learning.
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    I don't belong to a Gym...I'm saving the cash for the 300 2.8 :P
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • DenverShooterDenverShooter Posts: 416Member
    Received a call yesterday from my guy at Roberts Camera who told me that Nikon shipped my 800mm F/5.6 and I should have it next week..

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  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 4,494Member
    edited April 2013
    Interesting, so I guess this post is ?
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  • DenverShooterDenverShooter Posts: 416Member
    It would appear to be contraindicated based upon my experience...

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