Tell me what you think.. D7200 vs D610

heartyfisher

I think this may be worth its own thread..

There has been a lot of discussion and comments on here and on the internet that the D7200 is a great camera and a great upgrade for people from the D7000 and below.. lots of comparisons with the D7100 and how similar they are and if its an upgrade worth the money or to get a D7100 instead of the D7200 since the price of the D7100 is lower.

However, in terms price the D7200 is closest to the D610 and D600. Yet there is no side by side technical comparisons between the D7200 and D610. Are they competing choices? would you get both as they complement each other? are the IQ the same or does the last generation Sensor and Expeed3 FX still trump the new "best" dx sensor and Expeed4. What do you think about the functionality and usability of either bodies? How would they compare? Is the D610 still a good option for upgrade from a D7000 or D7100 or below instead of the D7200 or D750?

Give me some IQ comparisons between the D7200 and D610. at low ISO and at High iso.
Provide some analysis of the tech specs between them.

heartyfisher

many of the things to consider is similar to this D7100 vs D600 vid by DiditalRev

Ryukyu

I've pondered the same thing because I have read many differing opinions about the D610's low light AF performance.
In terms of using it for low light event photography, how will it perform? Obviously the best of both world's exist in the D750, but that's a completely different price point.
So if the D610's AF isn't good enough to allow a lot of keepers in low light conditions, what good is better IQ if they're out of focus?

Photobug

I'm not sure I would find the comparisons useful or compelling. It's like comparing a sports car to a luxury car. Each has its strengths and you can't say one is better than the other because it depends **entirely** upon your priorities. We already know that the D610 has better IQ and we already know that the D7200 has better AF, better overall responsiveness due to a much more advanced processor, and is just generally more sophisticated. What more is there to compare?

+1 on @PitchBlack's comments.
It really depends @heartyfisher on what you want and what you shoot. Simply stated which one meets your requirements or which one meets some of your requirements and which one meets the balance of your requirements if you need two bodies. Example: You may find that from wide angle to 200mm your requirements can be best be met with the D750/D610 and from 200MM and up you need the D7200. Or, get the FX DSLR and use it in crop mode when you need the extra "reach". There are options, its up to you to assess your requirements and then align them with your budget.

heartyfisher

I think there are a few people like @Ryukyu who are considering them as options. The price difference is now much narrower between the D610/D7200 than the D600/D7100.

One interesting thing from the DigitalRev video is that the D7100 was quite a bit sharper than the D600.
However, both are one model behind. The comparison between the D7200 and D610 will be different. I know the D610 is sharper than the D600, will the D7200 be sharper than the D7100, probably not.

Also mentioned was the -2EV vs -1EV between the D7100 and D600. now the gap has widen to -3ev vs -1ev
that seem quite significant. A nice win to the D7200. overall the whole AF system in the D7200 is way ahead of the D610.
1) -3ev vs -1ev
2) 51 af points vs 39
3) much better spread
4) probably faster af due to expeed4 vs expeed3

Technically the High ISO specifications are equivalent between the D7200 and the D610. But the Dxo comparisons still give the D610 a big advantage (over the D5500 which should be equal to the D7200).
Not sure if there is any real advantage to the D610.
1) Expeed4 NR is better than Expeed3
2) If comparing Jpeg only the D7200 may even be better! will need to see direct comparisons.
3) who shoots at greater than 6400 ISO anyway !

elephant in the room ? ... where ?

heartyfisher

@Ryukyu I have the D610 .. in extreme low light its hard to focus but then I dont have a D750 or D7200 or D810 to compare it with. What I can say is although the normal af is unusable in very very low light. I was able to get some success using live view when shooting black bats/rats/mice in in the dark! but those are extreme cases.

In low light, I would say try to use live view for better AF when normal AF starts to hunt.

sevencrossing

would you get both as they complement each other?

Given for the price of both, I could get a D810, defiantly not

donaldejose

+1 to Pitchblack's answers with one comment. I have a D600 and find the sensor quite amazing and quite adequate for just about everything up to poster size enlargements. When you can take your time shooting (and don't shoot at f1.4 where the narrower AF area can hurt you) its limitations are not a significant handicap. The D610 is the same camera with a different shutter mechanism. An FX sensor will always be about one stop better than a DX sensor (using the same technology) in lower light just because of its size. If low light image quality is important to you the D610 offers an advantage over all DX models. As much as it gets bashed the D600/D610 models do have great sensors.

When you are looking for a camera at a certain price point which gives you an option between a "better feature" DX body and a "less feature but better IQ FX body" you just have to decide how important those "better features" are to you.

We don't yet have IQ comparisons between the D7200 and the D610. The best you can do at this time is to look at imaging-resource.com comparison tool.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d7200/nikon-d7200A7.HTM

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM you can select the D7200 and the D610 and than compare identical scenes.

I should add that if you are in the $3,000 price point range you now have the option of a refurbished D4 or a D810. Once again it is a choice between better speed or better image quality.

Looking at the imaging-resources test shots myself at ISO 3200 and ISO 6400 I would say the D7200 does a better job with noise reduction but at the cost of losing some detail. It is quite impressive though and takes a DX sensor much higher in usable ISO range than previous generations. D7200 noise reduction at ISO 12,800 is quite remarkable I see nothing wrong now with shooting DX at ISO 6400 if you are willing to lose some detail and even at ISO 12,800 if you really need to do so.

sevencrossing

I have a D600 and find the sensor quite amazing and quite adequate for just about everything up to poster size enlargements.

I don't have a D600 so I cant compare it with a D800
but I just understand the "adequate for just everything up to xxx " argument
big prints tend to be looked at further away in any case
It not just about resolution, noise or even Dynamic range. It is about overall image quality
I suspect the difference in IQ would show even on a i pad mini (with a Retina display)

What is "adequate" is determined by the client, or you, if you are shooting for yourself

donaldejose

As Mark says the D800/D810 is the "cropping king." I have cropped a one forth piece out of a D800 image and still printed that one fourth section to poster size with great results.

I must say I do look forward to a 50+ mp Nikon Sensor.

manhattanboy

I shot a bikini campaign for a small brand using the D810 and the 200mm/f2.

So you get to use the best Nikon toys and have fun with a bunch of beautiful bikini models. :-bd

sevencrossing

, I'm going to come to their houses and start breaking all of their camera equipment.

That's just an idle threat. Cos we you know you are somewhere between Inverses and Fort William

heartyfisher

@donaldejose thanks for the link to ImagingResources. Didn't know they had the D7200 samples already !

Like you said the D7200 images are really quite good! It looks like the D7200 is a tiny bit sharper than the D610! but like you say it loses a bit of detail at high iso but the overall look of the image is really quite fantastic even at the highest ISO. The D610 does keep more detail but the noise is quite high at the high ISO however I am sure the latest noise reduction software tools should clean it up well.

@pitchblack regarding cropping the D810 I had a look at the imaging resources D810 image sample. Its pretty awesome! I compared it with the D7200 (both at ISO 100) and the D7200 was close but not as sharp in terms of overall view(which is expected). Would be interesting to see how they fare in actual resolution. Say for example an image of a split hair ;-)

manhattanboy

I shot a bikini campaign for a small brand using the D810 and the 200mm/f2.

So you get to use the best Nikon toys and have fun with a bunch of beautiful bikini models. :-bd

Yes. And they actually give me money to do it. Money! They give me money!

At least throw up some pictures so the rest of us commoners can enjoy it vicariously LOL.

donaldejose

manhattanboy: Mark has posted many of them.

manhattanboy

Back onto topic, like the difference in resolution between the 750 and 810, there is a difference in crop mode 810 versus the 7100 or 7200. That is what is interesting about canons new move or equalizing crop and full frame resolution.

sevencrossing

In choosing between the two, I would want to take into account any existing glass

In comparing the two, do you use

The same prime lens? and crop the 610
A zoom ? I would use the AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/4G ED VR
Two different primes? I would use AF-S DX NIKKOR 35mm f/1.8G on the 7200
and the AF-S 50mm f/1.8 NIKKOR on the 610

nukuEX2

What is the buffer on D610? I know it shoots at around 6.5fps but how big is the overall size of buffer?

KnockKnock

Aside from the usual FX vs DX stuff, I think the D7200 would appeal more action and JPEG shooters. Action, because of the better AF, faster shutter and pixel density. JPEG because of the newer EXPEED processing brings DX JPEGs right up there with the 610's.

If you work more slowly and with RAW files, I think the D610 would be preferable due to the FX sensor, pixel size and the ability to work with a wider range of lenses. Both would be awesome but you don't even need to look to the D800. The D750 would be preferable to both.

heartyfisher

What is the buffer on D610? I know it shoots at around 6.5fps but how big is the overall size of buffer?

its 6 fps nice big buffer(27) from photography life tests .. :-) https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-d610/5

[Deleted User]

D700 vs D300, I regret that I did not choose for the D700 that time, only for the crop factor with my 70-200mm. Then I made the simple choice between the D7000 vs D600, the Nikon D600 of course.

tcole1983

I just can't get myself to love the D6XX series cameras. If I had to do it right now I would get a refurbished or used D800 I think.

sevencrossing

I would get a refurbished or used D800 I think.

I don't think you would regret. it the D800 is what the D700 was to the D300s

We have to thank Nikon for bring out the D810 and making a S/H D800 affordable to the amateur

As big improvements in new models become less. There is now a good selection of pretty up-to-date S/H gear
capable of producing very high quality results

heartyfisher

I know this tread is about D610 vs D7200

but Pitchblack brought up a some good points regarding
D610 + D7200 vs D810.
Can we list some specific pros and cons ?

D810
1) ISO 64.
2) Better Build

D7200+D610
1) better High ISO (D610)
2) more reach (D7200)
3) Backup camera.
4) 2 cameras - more versatile with 2 lenses at the ready..

Thats all I can think of for now .. (sleepy zzz )

sevencrossing

4) 2 cameras - more versatile with 2 lenses at the ready..

Don't keno about others , but if I am using 2 Cameras I prefer them to identical
That said, In the days of film, I used to use a Leica (Kodachrome) and a Rollie ( B&W)

donaldejose

sevencrossing: "We have to thank Nikon for bring out the D810 and making a S/H D800 affordable to the amateur." Absolutely!!! I see refurbished D800s selling for half their original price which makes them a huge bang for the buck. You just couldn't go wrong spending about $1,700 on a refurbished D800. Once you have one you will just love the flexibility it gives you.