Hello all, I am new here, but have lurked for almost 2 years. I am in need of some advice. I have some available funds and am looking to step up my photography (both in terms of skills and gear). I am not a pro but take lots of family pictures, I have 2 young daughters as well as a family farm that I take pictures of. I have been asked by a few friends to do some shoots but nothing serious... Yet. I have been playing with the idea of potentially stepping into more paying gigs, but feel I need to get a little more polished.
Anyway, I have a d750, 70-200 vr1, 24-70g, 85 1.8, 50 1.4. What are your opinions as to where I need to upgrade? Options:
-used d810s are going for ~$1700 on eBay in good shape which is very tempting
-the 70-200 vr2 has also come down in price
-save my money and buy a d850 next year
-save my money and buy a 70-200e next year
My question comes down to, is the d810 enough of an upgrade over the d750 to upgrade? Is the vr2 enough of an upgrade over the vr1 to upgrade? (I know the corners are a little soft in the vr1 but I don't like the focus breathing of the vr2) is something better right around the corner that will drive d810 prices down further? I think we're getting to the leveling off point following the drop in price after the 850 came out. Finally, should I just save up to really pay big bucks to move to a d850 and 24-70vr + 70-200e fl ($10k).
Thanks in advance, elo
One thing is for sure - this is a gear focused site and its members will always spend your money freely!
In my humble opinion, the gear you have is going to take great shots of the subjects you mentioned which you will be able to blow up to 20 x 16 with no problem. If it doesn't, it isn't your gears fault...
Reading through your OP, I too couldn't find any gaping holes in your gear list. You seem to have a well rounded set especially for your stated subjects.
The only thing I may add is the wide end, but only as an intellectual exercise. Personally I am not a "widey" so I could be happy with your set as is(for your stated subjects).
However, if we consider your personal needs and where you "feel" your gear is lacking then maybe we can find a more specific suggestion for you. .. ie you have not said too much as to why you feel you are lacking and in which areas and while shooting which Subjects? Tell us this and we may be able to help..
Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.
Not having used a d810, my question is mainly a product of no knowing the real world difference between the two bodies. Is the difference between 24mp and 36mp as drastic as the step from 12mp to 24mp?
I read all these reviews online of how the 70-200 vr1 and 24-70g are so soft in the corners and the new iterations are so much sharper so the only way to find these answers are to ask. I don't have a photography store remotely close to my house, I used to have one about an hour away, but it's closed now. So I can't really handle gear and try it unless I try rentals. It's much easier to ask on here.
Thanks again for the replies. I am finding a huge aspect of photography is confidence. Confidence to try new things, confidence to make the most of your equipment, and confidence that said equipment will produce the desired result. So, thanks for helping me out.
My kit is not a whole lot different than yours. Full frame is my next move in cameras I am still shooting with DX with mostly FX glass. Started with a D5100 and worked my way up to a D7200 and D500. I have some longer lenses as I shoot mostly sports and wildlife.
Parents sometimes give me gas cards for doing there kids sports shots.
I do not shoot much wide but agree that if I were to add to what you have it would be a good wide angle. I have zooms because of the versatility in sports and wildlife. You may find yourself doing some sports as your daughters get involved. The 70-200 is very good for that through high school.
I have just watched eBay and waited on my lenses. I started with a 18-55 and 55-200 and 35 1.8 on dx. Two years ago I found the 70-200 vr1 on eBay for $850 in really good shape and thought it was too good to pass up and have loved using it since. When I got my d750, I wanted an all purpose zoom, but the 24-120f4 and 28-300vr are both over $600, and the weight of the v70-200 didn't bother me, so I just jumped to the 24-70 for $300 more.
Lenses: The extream corners on the 24-70mm G are softer (at 24mm), but we are talking about the extreme, way outside of the range of focus points, so keep that in mind. The G is sharper overall throughout the zoom range, any review from people who aren’t getting free stuff from Nikon are saying the same thing. Check the lab tests at optical limits (formally known as Photozone). The new lens is way softer between 50-70mm than the old one; primarily between F2.8 and F4. Yikes. I’m sticking with my non-VR, that’s for sure.
70-200mm F2.8G vs v2. I have used both and currently own the VR2. Personally, I preferred the design of the VR1, it was more comfortable to shoot with. It also didn’t stuffer from focus breathing as much as the VR2 does. Not a big deal for me, since I don’t do a ton of close up work with it. Is the new one sharper, I guess so, since the lab tests say so There wasn’t much to complain about with the first Gen other than more vignetting.
Something to consider would be adding lighting to your kit. Using speedlights or strobes can add a new dimension to your images.
I am saving for a Sigma 120-300 for some night time sports. I may be shooting some college summer league baseball this summer. The next will be a D850. Then I plan to slow down purchases. I am pushing my budget as I want some time to enjoy them and then leave them for the grandkids when I am gone. One will start college next fall and has picked one where the photo lab is across the hall from the animal science department.
Quality time with your daughters shooting the cattle sounds to me like a memory the will carry for all their life.
I would echo what sport mentioned, lighting might be something to look at,especially for portraits. (with lights it's fairly easy to start small and add more as you learn/require them)
As for what's around the corner, it looks like the next big release from Nikon will be mirrorless. DX is expected by May, and FX by September, if all goes well. If mirrorless is something that appeals to you, and you have the time, it might be worth waiting and seeing what gets released.
Sport/prototype, good suggestions on the lights. Is the extra premium on Nikon Speedlites worth it? Or are yuongo just as good? One of the reasons I have 2.8 and 1.8 lenses is so I can use natural light without flash.
BVS, I use the 24-70 50% of the time (can get really close indoors and can zoom to frame and compose without having to move too much) it's perfect for my little ones. I use the 50 1.4 at indoor events like Thanksgiving and Christmas about 20% so I don't have to use flash in people's eyes. I use the 85 and 70-200 outdoors the other 30% of the time, parks, barns, cows, etc. I have looked at the 35 1.4 and 28 1.8 to get wider and fast for indoor close up natural light and a wider prime for landscapes but I have a hard time justifying the price.
I use Nikon speedlights for outdoors photos and Alienbees for indoor work. My wireless setup is Pocketwizard FlexTT/MiniTT's with a SU-800 for commander function. It's a frankenstein setup but it works for me. I love the Pocketwizard setup because my light meter is integrated to it. It makes setup fairly quick.
I've been concerned for a couple of years about the direction Nikon is going with the CLS. It just seems to be an afterthought now where you have another module hanging off the camera. The SU-800 is old and expensive. The SB-5000 is awesome but it comes with a huge price tag.
I have used my bigger wild life zoom, a 150-600, for some outdoor sports and find I seldom go over 400mm. When the lights come on I put it away. If I shoot the college kids it will be a paid deal so that will soften the cost of the Sigma. It will get me out to 450mm equivalent so should work fine.
I sprang for the SB5000 flash. I do not use flash much but like some fill flash at times. I have been asked to do portraits which really is not my thing. I do them outside when I do them and a little fill often makes a big difference. I like it on the D7200 but have not used it much on the d500. I also have some large Metz flashes. I have one I used when I shot film and loved it. I got the newer digital version but just did not use it much.
I would like to have had what you have when my kids were little. They grow all too fast. Cherish the memories and record the images. Maybe you can pass your love for photography on to them. It makes for some special times when you can shoot together and compete with each other in some contests. My D5100 fits the little hands well and they like it. When they turn 14 they get there own camera. Somehow it often has my lens on it.
Isn't that what grandpas are for? ;-)
The Samyang 14mm is a great lens ..just set at 15ft f 5.6 and tape up the focus ..brilliant
D810 and D750 are the same generation of cameras and contain lots of the same tech. The D750 is actually newer if I recall correctly. The only things you really gain by going from D750 to D810 are:
- 50% more pixels
- No low pass filter
- ISO 64 with slightly better dynamic range (although D750 is better at ISO100)
- A bit larger buffer
- 1/8000 shutter
- Electronic front curtain shutter
- Split screen focusing in live view
- 'Pro' body and build quality (although some people prefer the 'enthusiast' body of the D750 and its U1/U2 settings).
But D810 also loses to D750 in some ways:
- Bigger size and weight (although this is personal preference)
- Bigger file sizes (i.e. needs more storage and slower to process)
- Slower frames per second (5 on D810 vs. 6.5 on D750)
- Worse low light focusing (-2EV on D810 vs. -3EV on D750)
- A bit worse noise at high ISO
- No tilt screen
- No built in WiFi (I think)
To see a more significant change and make it worth the money you're probably better off saving the $1,600 toward getting a D850 instead. D850 bests both D810 and D750 at just about everything, except size/weight, file size, and maybe low light ISO, and includes a number of things not available in the other two (e.g. auto AF fine tune, focus peaking, focus shifting/stacking, etc.).
The other down side to the D810 is that it uses a combination of SD and the old CF card slots. SD is fine, but investing in CF cards now doesn’t make a ton of sense with all the newer bodies using XQD/SD.
Also, do you guys think the d850 will go down in price any after orders are filled and sales drop off?
Not likely to see price drops on the D850 any time soon, it only came out last fall. I'm still standing by my first post, keep what you have for now and wait a while. Do some paid gigs, and then see if what you have holds you back in some ways, rather than buying stuff that you might not even really need.