What would you like to see on follow up body to the D500? IE D510

mhedges

Is there anyone who actually likes the settings banks vs. the U1 U2 controls? There's no reason you can't have the User type controls feature on an otherwise pro-controls style body.

spraynpray

Lol! Ain't that the truth!

PB_PM

Yes saving face could be one part of it, respect elders and don’t question the wisdom of senior management. I think part of it also comes down to not wanting to make any major changes to the pro menu system, they’ve had banks since the D1 came out in 1999 after all. It’s sad really, because all they have to do is add the save function, so you can return to a set of programmed settings. To save face all they need to do to make it work, would be to have a toggle like the “My Menu” or “Recently used settings” function that already exists.

I’ve worked with banks since I had the D300, and before the U modes came along I thought it was great, but the banks are slightly less functional. I do like that there are more banks than user modes though, that does not need to change!

Sports

If parts of the firmware is 20 years old, it's probably "impossible" to change in the sense that the code is a mess, the guy that knew has left the company, every change causes new bugs, old, petrified testing procedures cannot easily be changed etc.
It's much easier to add new features than to change the behaviour of old features.
And, of course, it's hard for Nikon to admit that their position is wrong, basically, and that others have better ideas regarding these features.

PB_PM

Don’t mistake a mostly unchanged GUI for the underlying software, I doubt they are using the same code as they were in 1999. In fact it’s highly unlikely the cameras even using the same type of processor, which most likely changed when the Expeed branded chips started being used. That type of change would likely have forced an update, and even if it didn’t code that old wouldn’t be optimized for the modern muticore chips and would require updating anyway.

Ton14

mhedges said:

Is there anyone who actually likes the settings banks vs. the U1 U2 controls?

Yes, I use the four banks all the time, because I found out that I always forget what I put under U1 and U2 on my D600. On my D300 I named the banks: Basic, Speed, Low-Light and Flash (whatever), With U1 and U2 I always had to press the "info button" to see my settings (OK solved that now). My D810 settings are the same as my D300 was, no learning curve and no confusion for me and .... I have 4 settings available instead of 2.

I press, -menu- , the cursor is always on MY MENU, where I find the memory banks as the first item, where I choose bank A to D. This is the quickest way for me to change the main camera settings for the purpose I want at that moment.

This is always the first step of my workflow.

PS. When I stop shooting I always set my camera's on mode P, auto-ISO and autofocus locked in the center, for when you want the shot instantly. This is the last step from my workflow.

HankB

Ah...then it is settled. Give the user the choice to use banks or U1,2,3. And this should be for Z6 & 7 as well as pro models yet to be announced.

Now if only I could set my car to allow the combination of Sport mode for throttle profile with Comfort mode for adaptive suspension. And allow audible confirmation of door locking without also forcing annoying, useless audible confirmation of un-locking. And I could go on.

spraynpray

@Ton14 - you are wired up differently to the rest of us LOL!

;-)

Ton14

Oh, fun. This works for me Andrew, 6 years D300 I think , there are so many ways for a workflow. Probably I'am the only one here who works with a checklist, ha, ha.

spraynpray

Whatever works!

Pistnbroke

The difference is with U1 U2 if you turn the camera on/off you go back to the original U1 U2 settings. With the banks if you make a change to settings then it keeps the settings when you go on/off.

So if you had pro controls and make a setting change at a concert to suit the lighting then it would stay set . with U1 it would not.

Ton14

Pistnbroke said:

The difference is with U1 U2 if you turn the camera on/off you go back to the original U1 U2 settings. With the banks if you make a change to settings then it keeps the settings when you go on/off.

So if you had pro controls and make a setting change at a concert to suit the lighting then it would stay set . with U1 it would not.

Exactly, I have my dials programmed to set things quick per photo, the rest always remain the same. It is what you prefer, I think.

Pistnbroke

I would also not buy a D500 because its 20 MP ..I am not going backwards so 24 or 30 .
One of the biggest problems CAN be fine focus adjust with bird photography and long lenses so mirrorless with in camera stabilization please.

nukuEX2

Pistnbroke said:

I would also not buy a D500 because its 20 MP ..I am not going backwards so 24 or 30 .
One of the biggest problems CAN be fine focus adjust with bird photography and long lenses so mirrorless with in camera stabilization please.

I agree with you on that.I'm also looking for 24+ MP.

Pistnbroke

Strange thing about Nikon Rumors is that people agree with me while on Nikonite$ or Nikonian$ I get banned for my extreme views...,

Nuke ...or 54MP+ on FX

spraynpray

We are very forgiving Pistnbroke...

HankB

Pistnbroke, you ain’t seen nothin if you didn’t see the ultra fanboy group-think of Apple forums a generation ago.

DaveyJ

@Pistnbroke: I like your views! NR is one of the best websites in the entire world! Have to admit I lean toward Nikon. I though am incredibly happy with the D7500. I use it more than the D500. I don’t see though where so much would be gained by a refresh of the D500. For that matter, same for the D7500. Now if I buy a Z6 and the 24-70 lens other than maybe just as good or better video, what am .i getting?

Hank B: I use mostly Apple Computers. I have NEVER been on their forum! I fail to see any reason to! And I am certain Hank is right! I do follow this right now with two current new Nikon intros. The 500 5.6 and the Z6 and the zoom lens. Also to check out status on the GREAT D500 and believe it or not the D7500! I know pro race photographers that switched their big Canon investment because of the D500. Finally, the 200-500 5.6 lens allowed me to take wildlife photos like Phantom Big Whitetail Deer that are one of the toughest photo subjects. The quality of that lens and the price is amazing. Strangely I have never used the D500 with that lens!

Capt_Spaulding

Extreme views, @Pistnbroke? WTH are you talking about?

One of my favorite (or is it favourite?) things about this board is the tolerance of most members. Collective pats on the back all around.

Pistnbroke

Quote.
WTH are you talking about?

On one of the afore mentioned sites a guy was showing his wedding photo where he had removed a pick up truck from the background...I suggested he remove the lamppost sticking out the grooms head ...banned

Another guy asked what equipment to use for a wedding ..I told him and as it was contrary to the advice from the clique ...banned

BVS

So, to summarize (with a few additions):

1. Make the banks selectable via the Mode selector.

1a. Add a 'show on mode dial' setting to the banks which controls whether it's selectable via the Mode selector or not. Banks you want to use frequently could be added to the selector, and ones you use infrequently would only be accessible via the menu (or however you currently select banks on the pro cameras) so as not to clog up the Mode selector with lots of options.

2. Make it so you can create as many number of banks as you want (within reason), or just come with a bunch by default, since it's all just in memory anyway there's no reason to limit it to just 3 or 4.

3. Make it so you can name the banks to whatever you want.

4. Change the banks to save the same amount of settings as the U1/U2 (I believe banks affect less settings than U1/U2 currently.)

5. Add a 'lock' setting to banks. Locked banks would work like U1/U2 where the settings revert back to saved settings when changing modes. Unlocked banks would work like the current banks which retain changes.

Done. Everyone's happy?

BVS

heartyfisher said:

I fully expect to not see a DSLR successor to the D500. ie i think it will be a DX mirrorless Z500

I have to agree with this. It won't be long before mirrorless cameras are commonly doing 20-30fps or more, at which point the 10fps on the D500 will look pretty pedestrian. Maybe we'll see a Z5 + Z9 (although I still like 'ZX') double release before the 2020 Olympics, like they did for D500 and D5.

Capt_Spaulding

Pistnbroke said:

Quote.
WTH are you talking about?

On one of the afore mentioned sites a guy was showing his wedding photo where he had removed a pick up truck from the background...I suggested he remove the lamppost sticking out the grooms head ...banned

Another guy asked what equipment to use for a wedding ..I told him and as it was contrary to the advice from the clique ...banned

Oh. Well that's different then. I took a beautiful image of the town of Gettysburg, PA. I was really proud of it until my wife pointed out that the spire on the Seminary (from which Seminary Ridge got its name) was sprouting out of the top of a pine tree. What could I do? I banned her.

egosbar

there are a few very useful features that can be added to the nikon d510 and if so id surely upgrade.

focus stacking in silent electronic shutter mode , now the problem i see here is you take one mechanical shot and say 100 stacked electronic shots but the exif data is going to show 101 actuations , this needs to be rectified in the exif data as mechanical actuations only for resale value , just think a macro shooter could take
10 000 mechanical shots but the exif data might show 200 000 the camera is all but useless to a buyer unless they are dumb.

i also believe but havent trialed that the d850 in silent mode electronic shooting the flash wont fire , this would be needed in macro photography so add that in.

fix memory banks as is mentioned here , they really are semi useless.

focus stacking on the d850 i believe is not that great as it doesnt allow focus the nearest point and focus the furtherest point , i may be wrong , focus stacking needs this.

electronic time lapse same theory as electronic focus stacking , only actual mechanical actuations should be recorded in exif data.

fix snap bridge so we can use other wi fi apps , i want to use helicon software on my d500 and cant connect because of snapbridge , very stupid.

fix the battery reading , battery use is far to quick and you can put the same flat battery in another body say a d810 and it still has 20-30% left , this should be done in a firmware update for the current d500 as its a obvious firmware problem and has been since the camera came out.

as you can see one of the biggest feature updates for me would be focus stack electronic shutter and mechanical shutter actuation count in exif data , i wont be upgrading to any camera until then or my d500 dies , the current d500 is still missing a few helpful features.

egosbar

nukuEX2 said:

Pistnbroke said:

I would also not buy a D500 because its 20 MP ..I am not going backwards so 24 or 30 .
One of the biggest problems CAN be fine focus adjust with bird photography and long lenses so mirrorless with in camera stabilization please.

I agree with you on that.I'm also looking for 24+ MP.

im happy with 20 megapixels , ive printed fine art 30x40 inch and they are supberb no noise etc , i think to many people are obsessed with megapixels , dam i started shooting film in the early 80s , 20 megapixels are no problems lol