File number and shutter count

PB_PM

Newer cameras are rated for well over 150k, even the D7500 is rated for 200k, so 150k isn’t the end of the road by a long shot.

Since the shutter, mirror assembly and battery are the most likely points of use based failure, chances of failure are low if those parts are new or replaced. Any camera made in the last 6 years is more than good enough for family travel shots.

snakebunk

Battery is no problem to replace (and has been no problem), but I feel like there is something with the mirrorbox that gets out of order when a dslr gets old. My D800 produces spots on the sensor and I cannot get the AF as good as I think it used to be. It is around 150k now. Does anyone have the same experience?

Pistnbroke

yes and it has a warrantee

snakebunk

Thanks, I didn't think about warranty for such an old camera. I'll check it out.

NSXTypeR

Yes, we had an old thread about shutter actuations.

https://forum.nikonrumors.com/discussion/346/how-many-shutter-actuations-does-did-your-camera-have/p1

There's also a volunteer database about shutter actuations and camera death.

http://www.olegkikin.com/shutterlife/

My D7000 is at 22,795 right now.

Pistnbroke

I just sold some cameras vis MPB the max shutter count they will accept is 50K.
(excellent no hassle no post to pay and very fast payment)

daveznspace

snakebunk said:

@daveznspace: Because I get worried that they will break when I am on a trip, and because new cameras have better specs. Would you say a 150k camera is as reliable as a new one if you replace the shutter?

Not necessarily. I've only had shutters go out on my d7000's. The first one went to 178,000 before crapping out the 2nd one (aka newer one) only lasted 64,000.

I've seen people with only a few thousand go out.

"Would you say a 150k camera is as reliable as a new one if you replace the shutter?"
Absolutely. They usually check the camera out and adjust AF and other things if needed as well.

daveznspace

If you want better specs then get a new camera, if you want to save the extra money replace shutter.

The shutter is so cheap that you could replace it and buy another camera as a backup.

spraynpray

daveznspace said:

If you want better specs then get a new camera, if you want to save the extra money replace shutter.

The shutter is so cheap that you could replace it and buy another camera as a backup.

That is the way to do it.

snakebunk

From experience I have never had any shutter problems with my three cameras (D300s & D800 around 150k, D810 82k), but it is a worry, and all batteries are still good enough. My problems have been with oil spots on the sensor and a feeling that af gets less reliable. If I don't buy a D850 this spring I will probably check with Nikon what they can do with my D800 and D810 (replace the shutter and fine tune the mirror box maybe).

Thanks everyone for helpful information!

spraynpray

@snakebunk - whatever you do to a D800/810 the AF will not approach a D850. Really. It blew me away.

Pistnbroke

I don't think we realize how getting accurate focus every time impacts on image quality same lens on a D7200 with more pixel density is not as good as that lens on a D850.

mhedges

Agree and I think that’s an advantage of mirrorless in some situations.

PB_PM

mhedges said:

Agree and I think that’s an advantage of mirrorless in some situations.

Unless the subject moves, then mirrorless is worse...

mhedges

Yep. That’s why I said some situations. Although I would expect the DSLR advantage to shrink as mirrorless AF improves.

daveznspace

snakebunk said:

From experience I have never had any shutter problems with my three cameras (D300s & D800 around 150k, D810 82k), but it is a worry, and all batteries are still good enough. My problems have been with oil spots on the sensor and a feeling that af gets less reliable. If I don't buy a D850 this spring I will probably check with Nikon what they can do with my D800 and D810 (replace the shutter and fine tune the mirror box maybe).

Thanks everyone for helpful information!

One of the best things you can do is learn to clean your own sensors... really, it's very simple. Not that long ago I posted instructions on how to do it.

mhedges

I’ve cleaned my D7200 sensor, and with the proper kit is was very easy. I’m a little wary of cleaning my Z6 sensor since it has IBIS and Nikon has been very explicit saying that folks should not attempt to clean it.

PB_PM

Just another strike again mirrorless, the sensor is completely exposed on every lens change, and you cannot clean it yourself.

daveznspace

mhedges said:

I’ve cleaned my D7200 sensor, and with the proper kit is was very easy. I’m a little wary of cleaning my Z6 sensor since it has IBIS and Nikon has been very explicit saying that folks should not attempt to clean it.

They said the same thing about dslr sensors as well

spraynpray

PB_PM said:

Just another strike again mirrorless, the sensor is completely exposed on every lens change, and you cannot clean it yourself.

That is a problem.

snakebunk

spraynpray said:

@snakebunk - whatever you do to a D800/810 the AF will not approach a D850. Really. It blew me away.

From what I have read and heard, I think you are right .

daveznspace said:

One of the best things you can do is learn to clean your own sensors... really, it's very simple. Not that long ago I posted instructions on how to do it.

Thanks, I have done it once. It turned out ok but not perfect, and oil spots kept coming back on the D800. But I will do it again. Like you say it is not too hard.

PB_PM said:

Just another strike again mirrorless, the sensor is completely exposed on every lens change, and you cannot clean it yourself.

Why can't you clean the sensor on mirrorless cameras?

spraynpray

IBIS makes it risky - at least for the moment until we find out how Nikon do it.

snakebunk

Ok, I understand. That just about takes the advantage out of ibis.

In order to protect the sensor, I wonder if it would be possible to add a function that closes the shutter each time the camera is turned off. What do you think?

mhedges

PB_PM said:

Just another strike again mirrorless, the sensor is completely exposed on every lens change, and you cannot clean it yourself.

daveznspace said:

mhedges said:

I’ve cleaned my D7200 sensor, and with the proper kit is was very easy. I’m a little wary of cleaning my Z6 sensor since it has IBIS and Nikon has been very explicit saying that folks should not attempt to clean it.

They said the same thing about dslr sensors as well

Yes that's true. To be fair Nikon has always said that users shouldn't attempt to clean the sensor. And I don't really know if IBIS makes it more risky or not. I'm just reluctant to do it, at least until there are reports of other folks doing it without a problem.

snakebunk said:

Ok, I understand. That just about takes the advantage out of ibis.

In order to protect the sensor, I wonder if it would be possible to add a function that closes the shutter each time the camera is turned off. What do you think?

Well that's how Canon did it with the EOS R. But that method has risks too since shutters are very fragile and likely easier to damage than the sensor itself.

PB_PM

If dust killed shutters, DSLR's would all have dead shutters, but they don't. Seems logical to me to have some kind of physical barrier there during lens swaps.