z6/7iii - 2022? 2023?

I was wondering what the consensus is on when Nikon will bring out the next iteration of the prosumer lines with at least some (sensor/processor) upgrades showcased in the z9

Obviously it won't be soon as they will want the pro's to order/get hold of the z9 and they will no doubt want to rightly give the Z9 its own space for awhile but is 2022 too much to hope for?

I ask as the Z9 effectively signals that the improvements that so many z6/7II owners (myself included) had hoped would come through firmware updates simply won't. Mark Cruz (on Adorama's z9 panel discussion today) effectively closed that door with his comments about the improvements seen in the z9 being hardware driven so while I am sure they will continue to iterate the current z cameras very little of that z9 goodness will trickle down until the next generations are released - which then begs another question - how much of it will they put in the less expensive bodies?

Don't get me wrong they are stellar cameras and for many no significant updates are needed but aspects like tracking/better AF to put them on par with competitor cameras would be very welcome for the type of images I enjoy capturing.

What do you guys think?

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  • photobunnyphotobunny Posts: 481Member
    edited November 2
    The Expeed 7 is 10x faster than the Expeed 6 putting it even a wee bit above the Digic X that Canon use(depending on how conservative they are being). So aye, the wish of making the Z6ii and Z7ii have all the subject detection abilities js just a dream and I suspected as much when working my way through fiddling about with the hardware.

    I think we will see a second Expeed 7 based camera very soon to keep people in the Nikon world. I don’t think it’ll be a Z6iii or Z7iii though. I think we’ll get something else that might just be a Z7iii with a different name so that in 2022 it can be launched without making every Z7ii and Z6ii owner kick themselves. If they can get a firmware update to detect human eyes from more profiles that might help hold people over, but that extra processor was just to let those cameras run without being at the red line all the time.

    Edit: The speed improvement quoted by Nikon is "10x faster than a Z 7II" so that implies it is 10X faster than Dual Expeed 6.
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  • kevgaleukkevgaleuk Posts: 3Member
    I feel like many z6ii & z7ii may already be kicking themselves! I have a little bit if I am honest

    Don't get me wrong in many ways the current z cameras are great, I love mine for the most part and despite its flaws I haven't found myself considering moving to the other brands because the overall experience of a Nikon camera/lenses is just so good.

    That said I bought the ii hoping that with firmware it would close the gap on the other brands in key areas like AF & Tracking for the type of photography I like. The inclusion of dual expeed 6 suggested capability but that belief has been shattered by the fact that those elements on-par/exceeding the competitors can only come from the new sensor and new processor - which basically means the ii's won't ever compete with the other prosumer cameras for other brands which is a huge shame for current owners.

    Again, don't get me wrong - it took Sony 3 iterations to get to what has long been heralded as gold standard in prosumer bodies so for Nikon to do the same is certainly no bad thing. Sony (and canon - who did it in 2) then gave the world even more with their pro flagship cameras meaning they have great and stellar

    With the z's Nikon didn't really hit the prosumer heights creating good (great for certain photographic genres) cameras and have now announced stellar with the z9. I just struggle to see how they can bring that tech strategically to the prosumer lines quickly - which they kind of need to in order to really gain share back from Sony/Canon

    If I had to guess I'd estimate a Q4 2022 refresh which would be in-line with the 2 year I-ii iteration we have already seen meaning we'll likely be living with the current z's for a while yet which is frustrating when we know Nikon has the goodness to offer

    The challenge they face is that they can't put that z9 tech straight into the z6/7iii at those camera's current price points even at the end of next year else (bar the pro body) given likely huge wait times to get z9's in hands, why would people buy the more expensive camera?

    If it was me I would push the 6 more into video (35mp to allow 8k 30) with 20/30/120FPS in the same smaller frame while make the 7 more image focused with the 45mp sensor with 15-20 fps but with limited video specs (maybe 4k 120 max) Both could share the AF/Tracking capabilities via the new sensor/processor wile the 6 could have a fully articulating screen while the 7 gets the new vari-tilt screen from the z9.

    That way the tech trickles down but not to the point where you question why you'd buy a z9 - it also leaves the door open for the z8 to be medium format offering in the future

    Again; if it was me I would announce it in Q1/2 for shipping Q3 and offer enhanced trade-ins on old Z6/7 i's & ii's to slightly appease current owners / tempt them to switch. I feel they need to leverage the really positive noise around the z9 to land into the larger non-pro market where Nikon has taken a battering last few years
  • WestEndFotoWestEndFoto Posts: 3,634Member
    Do you really think that your Z6ii or Z7ii isn't "on par" with the equivalent Sony? I think that you should read a bit of Thom, who praises both. You will see that they are closer than you think and if auto-focus is your concern, then buy Thom's book like I did and practice using it.

    Thom would summarize it this way. If you want the camera to do af for you decently, but a Sony. If you want your camera to do af for you well, buy a Nikon and learn how to use it.
  • WestEndFotoWestEndFoto Posts: 3,634Member
    And don't get me started on the Nikon Z5 vs the what? A four year old Sony?
  • kevgaleukkevgaleuk Posts: 3Member

    Do you really think that your Z6ii or Z7ii isn't "on par" with the equivalent Sony? I think that you should read a bit of Thom, who praises both. You will see that they are closer than you think and if auto-focus is your concern, then buy Thom's book like I did and practice using it.

    Thom would summarize it this way. If you want the camera to do af for you decently, but a Sony. If you want your camera to do af for you well, buy a Nikon and learn how to use it.

    As I said in many respects on par if not better than Sony/Canon equivalents. Landscapes, slow moving wildlife, slower portraiture all excellent and very happy with the results. The ergonomics of my Nikon, the files that come out of it and just the feel of my camera I would take over other brands all day long - 80-90% of the time I am super happy which is why I was desperate for the upgraded capabilities to come to these z's to improve on its only real weakness

    Where it currently struggles, like most acknowledge, is that speed of eye AF/tracking pick-up, & stickiness. I typically use the U123 modes a lot jumping from landscape settings to wildlife or portrait. When flicking into wildlife the time it takes to position the box on or around the animal/bird's face to grab the eye the moment can be over. If the scene is complex it can misfire. Now can I improve my application - of course I can, and that wouldn't change if I had a Sony or a Z9 - but having used a friend's Sony, similar momentary scenes are just easier to capture. I assume that's a combination of their algorithm, processor, application or a combination of the three.

    Clearly with the z9 Nikon have shown they can easily compete in this super specific area if the hardware is in place

    One area I think they can do via firmware is the application of AF/tracking even if they can't implement the speed and accuracy they have achieved on the z9; You would assume that they can implement the logic of the new Eye AF/subject detection (even if they keep it limited to people and animals) and you would further assume they can implement the mechanics of how it is used too e.g the new modes and always on approach. If they can do that; even if its not as good as they have made it for the z9 I think most of us would be happy
  • mhedgesmhedges Posts: 2,370Member
    Agree- I think they can make some improvements with the vII models via firmware to close a lot of the perceived gap. From what I understand there isn't too much difference in hardware between the vII Z's and the similar Sony or Canon models.
  • WestEndFotoWestEndFoto Posts: 3,634Member
    That is reasonable.
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