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D7100 vs. EOS 70D
I don't want to attract Canon shooters to join the NRF. It just so happened that I mistakenly mentioned the new EOS 70D in the 1100+ posts discussion about a D400. And that was because the Canon has some features I really miss on each NIkon:
Inbuilt WLAN
Touchscreen
Swivel display
19 cross-type AF sensors
excellent video from what I saw
So, I continue a chat with PB_PM here. He replied:
Anyway, let's see how the AF of Canon behaves in real world. My D7100 had the left side weaker AF issue...
So, if you only look at the things you want for your photography, you may be right. And talking about the swivel display is useless if one doesn't see or need it's advantages. I see the EOS as superior in some aspects. And it could use Nikkors although it doesn't make much sense to work with an adapter. But it can use Sigmas with all functions. And some Canon lenses, I learnt, do outperform (and outprice in terms of more expensive) the Nikkor compared to it.
If Nikon would make one model with those features I mentioned I would exchange my D7100 tomorrow. Or in the next few days, after the D400 comes out
Inbuilt WLAN
Touchscreen
Swivel display
19 cross-type AF sensors
excellent video from what I saw
So, I continue a chat with PB_PM here. He replied:
@PB_PM 19 against 51 sounds convincing. 19 cross-type sensors to 15 - still convincing? And those you can tap on the screen instead of selecting with a dial. I saw a movie made with it. Some focus draws in it are just impossible or crap out of D7100. So, to your addition another one: The D7100 may be better on photos even if this would be worth a discussion. But if it comes to video one needs to deal with tons of compromises or missed targets.In which aspects you see the D7100 above the 70D?The D7100 has better build, partial mag alloy vs all plastic, a 51 point AF system vs 19, dual card slots, 100% viewfinder vs 98%, has mic and headphone jacks (only mic jack on 70D) and uses Nikkor lenses. The last point alone makes the D7100 a better camera. :P
Wifi in a camera, frankly is useless to me. Why would I want to send crappy low quality JPEGS from my camera to my smartphone? Unless you do a lot of tethered shooting it is useless. Wifi = meh. The new liveview focusing and 16 frame RAW buffer are the only things that are even remotely impressive about the 70D.
Anyway, let's see how the AF of Canon behaves in real world. My D7100 had the left side weaker AF issue...
So, if you only look at the things you want for your photography, you may be right. And talking about the swivel display is useless if one doesn't see or need it's advantages. I see the EOS as superior in some aspects. And it could use Nikkors although it doesn't make much sense to work with an adapter. But it can use Sigmas with all functions. And some Canon lenses, I learnt, do outperform (and outprice in terms of more expensive) the Nikkor compared to it.
If Nikon would make one model with those features I mentioned I would exchange my D7100 tomorrow. Or in the next few days, after the D400 comes out
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As for video, how about the D7100 clean HDMI out. And the D7100 does a great job on video as well.
To me, WiFi is not pointless. It's just a piece of gear I'd love to leave at home, this CamRanger with the fiddly set up -that would be saved by the EOS and nonetheless, I could shoot tethered with an iPod.
Have you seen the videos coming out of D7100? When the focus changes, it's pumping like hell. No points for that feature to the D7100. And what good are mic and headphone connector, if the recorded sound has frequency holes to hide an elephant in? Of course exaggerated. But male voices sounds everything else but male.
In the table below we see how some of the EOS 70D's key specs measure up against its more expensive big brother, the EOS 7D, and its main rival, the Nikon D7100. What's interesting here is just how close the 70D is to the 7D in terms of spec - in much the same way as Nikon's D7000 made the D300S look almost redundant, it's quite difficult to see why most Canon users would now choose the top-end APS-C model.
A sign of maybe both D400 & 7DMII coming out FF ??
As for 15 cross type vs 19, still kind of meh, considering that the AF system from the 7D (now in the 70D) was considered to be less accurate than the one found in the D300s (now used in the D7100), I don't see that augment for superiority. Who cares if it has a 4 more points, if they don't work as well?
As for the touch screen, I use liveview a few times a year and for video. Thus it would have no impact on my shooting style. I wouldn't use the touch screen for video either, since just about anyone who shoots high quality video focuses manually anyway.
But your reasons are as good as mine to me. I understand that Nikon serves the professionals in the way all 3-digit numbers are designed. Please understand that some of those features I find useless and very difficult to find in certain endless menus.
And as for the focus to be tapped on the touchscreen: I'm sure it will have some flaws at some difficult situations. At the moment, the D7100 focus is a pretty nervous thing to use, so I don't see it better. And the AF is different than the one in the 7D, at least if the specs are not only new words for old tech. Why is it so difficult for some Nikon shooters to admit Canon does the better job if it comes to video? At least, they can change aperture while recording movies.
Although I never shot with a Canon DSLR, be it still or video. But the making of this movie is shown in that one. Contrary to the dozens of folks needed for Nikon movies I found it pretty good, that only one person operates the cam. And benefits form that touchscreen instead of fumbling around with focus puller and larger HDM Monitor
I on the other hand have used Canon DSLRs. To be honest the difference between the two brands is so small that the average user wouldn't even notice the difference. I think the only people that might have a hard time switching are older users, who's muscle memory is fine tuned to Nikon cameras.
As to the AF issue. I haven't used a current generation model, so this might not be the case today, but Canon's cross type points are about as good at subject tracking as Nikon's non-cross type in my experience. For still subject matter, I'd say they are perfectly equal. That said, the lens used has a huge impact on how the systems work, and I've not had the opportunity to work with at Canon F2.8 or faster lenses to directly compare the performance.
i dont shoot video ( though its a possibility ) i just take pics ,and that takes all my time ,i cannot for the love of me see why anyone would buy a stills camera to shoot films surely a proper video cam would be better .
anyway rant over i am only on day one with the 7100 and have been using a d300s and d7000 up till now ,as of today they are both for sale this baby is a beast and i,m seriously smitten by it ;-0)
Just kidding. If you don't understand why people do use DSLRs for video, leave it that way and have fun with D7100. Congrats and good light for it.
I used to be the type that hated swivels on prosumer-professional grade cameras as well; and then I realized that it can help you get photos from different vantage points which would have been much harder to do without it. Not to mention the video of course. I feel like sooner or later more camera's will integrate these features because of the added benefit. Yes people will still hate on it because it's not "pro" looking and doesn't fit into their idea of a camera, but these are the same guys that hated digital because they thought that having a screen and all those menu controls would make a camera "harder to use."
No they cant. you cannot aperture ramp during video... unless you have a lens with manual aperture. or unless i missed a firmware update or something.
Magic Lantern is also a really compelling reason to choose the other guy.
As with stills, the finest aperture step is 1/3rd of a stop, so an aperture ramp may not be very smooth, with noticeable exposure changes between steps (not to mention the mechanical noise). Hence some people use "de-clicked" manual lenses which allow for continuous aperture changes. Or use a Variable ND instead.
But I was talking of D7100 class... Also, I think, using a dedicated movie lens with stepless aperture is the better way.
What I found amazing was taping then screen while recording to pull focus. Given there's enough light, the camera did a fine job when doing that trick.
I heard Canons can also perform a total, silent mode by not using the shutter for exposing while in Live view? There's an electronic shutter additional to the mechanical one. Although I still prefer the finder than LV screen for normal shooting, I could easily live without that noisy rumble when shooting in LV. Besides it's releasing directly without delay.
For stills, normally there are two mechanical shutter movements (the "first" and "second" shutter curtains). On most Canons, when in quiet mode the "first" curtain is electronic, but there is still the "second" mechanical curtain. Some Sony cameras also have this feature.
Full electronic shutter is only used in video mode (same for both Nikon and Canon). I believe the Nikon D4 can take HD frame grabs (JPEG) from the live video feed, so that's one way to take stills without any shutter noise.