Nikon Df General Discussion

tc88

It is a psychological thing and that psychology is in part what determines your results. When I shooting an event for a client I want my honking D700 with the 14-24mm as it is quick. It is a tool I can rely on to get my customers exactly what they want.

So is it the mood that the equipment gets you into or is it the technical capability of the tool? What you said right there obviously conflict with each other.

kyoshinikon

Not exactly because the results I want vs the results my customer wants may be two different things. My customer wants sharp bright pictures of x person or "event". A tool that is quick and two steps ahead of me is good for that. However when I shoot for myself I may be wanting to evoke a mood or share something that is unusual in perspective or presentation, I may be looking for light instead of subject as my prime focus. I may not want something to be sharp or the focal point just because it is there... What I may be going after is completely different than the "kodak shot" on steroids

snakebunk

LOL! did i get censored ?

I read you comment and gave it a +1, and then it disappeared. Strange.

kyoshinikon

I don't see why you would. Nikodoby isnt moderating lol

spraynpray

Post it again and see what happens

Golf007sd

LOL! did i get censored ?

Dear NRF members, as a moderator if I feel that a comment will lead to an unhealthy response, I will edit or remove the content. It is my intent to keep our conversation from "going astray" and turn it into a tit-for-tat. I truly hope you understand my intentions...cheers.

kyoshinikon

Okeayyy... Well as we all know the DF discussion isn't the most laid back conversation here on NR lol.

I never would have guessed that a camera like this would have been so conversational. Funny looking back at old threads like the one attached at the discussion which has been varied. If nikon was following NR and taking our demands to heart we would have a D400 and a D700 replacement...

http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=1337

http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=5467

Msmoto

@Vipmediastar_JZ

Thanks, maybe someone will give us something for the film cameras. But, the disincentive for Nikon is of course if we could do a lot of the work with our old equipment, what would happen to new sales….?

Maybe Nikon could have done this instead of spending the money on Df development.

Oh well...

donaldejose

"But I have to wonder if people would have the same view if Nikon had introduced a modern looking camera, maybe a D620, with the innards of the DF, but included video for the price of the DF?" Nikon did, it is called the D610 and has a "better" 24mp sensor (unless you really need to use ISO in the range of 6,400 to 12,800.

rbrylawski

@kyoshinikon

I'm going to assume you were responding to my thread, so the comment about "you probably don't even get the question" was unless I'm completely missing your point, rude. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't mean to be rude ;-). That said, my interpretation of what you've written implies that the camera is what will force you to take fewer, but better pictures. I think you're implying it will slow you down to really think about what you're doing? If it does that for you, that's terrific, but I simply don't see the need to have a camera that makes me think differently to take a picture. I need a camera with the controls where I want them, or have at least learned to use them and that will take great pictures. Maybe the DF will do for many here and that's terrific. It just eludes me why it would provide much benefit to my picture taking experience.

heartyfisher

LOL! did i get censored ?

I read you comment and gave it a +1, and then it disappeared. Strange.

Thanks for the support.. I thought it was an insightful comment that would help diffuse the tensions :-)

I don't see why you would. Nikodoby isnt moderating lol

I miss him and his eccentric comments.. :-( whole bunch of other "oldies" that seemed to have left or stopped commenting.

Post it again and see what happens

No thanks I may get banned for trolling ;-) (even if it was in sarcasm!) ( actually I have totally forgotten what I wrote.. but I remember it was great ! :-) )

heartyfisher

Re the DF way of doing things .. go have a read of what "conation" is. There are 4 main approaches to doing things. I think the Df will cater for the a lot of people who act and learn by touch and feel of their gear. I think this may be the reason some of us here don't "get" what the Df is about. Its just not in their nature to work that way, not part of their Modus Operandi.

PS i had a search on conation .. not easy to find good info on it .. so here is a link for those interested http://www.oprah.com/spirit/Martha-Beck-How-to-Be-Wildly-Successful/1

kyoshinikon

Apologies if I came off as rude rbrylawski. I'm no way was I implying that you are stupid or unexperienced because obviously all of out experiences and ways of working are different lol. I'm just passionate about a shooting style that is uncommon and for many like me the tool does play a big role in the mental aspect. I guess each of our photographic journeys dictate whether we like or respond to certain things or not...

rbrylawski

Apologies if I came off as rude rbrylawski. I'm no way was I implying that you are stupid or unexperienced because obviously all of out experiences and ways of working are different lol. I'm just passionate about a shooting style that is uncommon and for many like me the tool does play a big role in the mental aspect. I guess each of our photographic journeys dictate whether we like or respond to certain things or not...

Fair enough....... ;-)

tc88

I think this may be the reason some of us here don't "get" what the Df is about. Its just not in their nature to work that way, not part of their Modus Operandi.

heartyfisher, while there are other reasons why people don't get it , I agree with what you say here. That's why I stated previously that whoever uses it, likely uses it as a primary camera. For people planning to use it as a second camera, the style is so vastly different with other Nikon DSLRs, that it can pose serious ergo issues when one switches between different styles.

spraynpray

@heartyfisher: You make a good point about touch and feel. When I used an Olympus OM1, I used to carry it with it sitting in the palm of my left hand and the shutter-speed and aperture were both rings - the shutter speed being around the body at the lens mount. I used to be able to adjust the exposure using one hand without even bringing the camera up to my eye or even looking down at it back then, just following the brightness of the scene as it changed. That zen-like state is an indication of a/ my age and absorption into photography back then (!) and b/ what a great control layout can do for you.

Way back before the DF I said that if Olympus bought out the OM1 in Digital form they would drag me over, and that is still the case if they got it right. Maybe Nikon will start a retro craze among the cheaper (non-Leica) manufacturers!

TaoTeJared

No, I hate the Df because it has an underpowered AF and a sensor that limits the size of your prints to essentially smallish posters. I hate it because I really wanted it to be great and it has utterly disappointed me. I hate how it's being marketed as something transcendent, a gift from the glorious photography Gods...

Marketed as transcendent? Sorry but I don't see that at all. If not anything it is marketed directly at the physical human experience. The look, the feel, the physical turning of dials - that is completely opposite of transcendent. I sure haven't seen any marketing about a "gift from gods" either. Out of any rumors, even any speculation by the most novice, was the specs of this camera going to be anything more than what it is. The only thing it is lacking is video, a huge MP sensor (that I never read anyone wanting that) and the highest end AF system, that isn't all that different. You are creating this in your head. I'm sorry PB but the only thing that the DF has done is put a mirror up so you could see your own self disillusionment. You thought that this would be a full D4 but retro and a 36mp sensor and for $1,500? That is absolutely ridiculous.

Someone needs to get more cozy with their dictionary as you have quite clearly misunderstood the meaning of the term transcendent. Try again.

tran·scend·ent
tranˈsendənt/
adjective
1. beyond or above the range of normal or merely physical human experience.

SquamishPhoto

You're evidently having a difficult time seeing how you confused the definition. It does not imply that its outside of the range of physical experience, just beyond the norm. You tried to dichotomize them and thats a rather simple mistake and why I criticized you, so try again. :]

Tradewind35

Nikon appear to be ensuring that demand does not exceed supply in UK as here we have to pre-order it with the 50mm AF lens which seems to me to be a bit silly. Equally silly is the (initial) price - UK retail is £2749 - which is more than an 800E and a 50mm and more than a 610 with a 24-85 zoom and a 50mm. Might have to wait until more sensible price pops up.
Robin

Msmoto

This thread has really gotten confusing…..I wonder if Niko would have closed it by now…LOL

However, the confusion may be a reflection of how some of us may view Nikon's decision making process…I really cannot see the real utilitarian value in the Df, but I also see that maybe I need to get out and follow the "pure photography" philosophy and just capture some very straight forward street images…..in the "style" of the Df.

Photobug

Msmoto...it sure sounds like you bought into the "pure photography" philosophy Nikon was expecting to sell this Retro DSLR. ">

If you do I know your going to give us a full review. )

snakebunk

This thread has really gotten confusing…..I wonder if Niko would have closed it by now…LOL

I think it is because the Df is confusing. Photographers tend to look for functional value but Nikon is trying to sell us something else. Those of us with the warderobe full of Armani suits are probably less confused.

spraynpray

@snakebunk: Correct.

Photobug

Wonder if they will have the 58 F1.4 on sale with the Df for the Nikon sales that runs the week of Thanksgiving? if so, that will generate a few additional sales and irritate those that placed their preorder for the Df and a lens.

Of course, you can always cancel your pre order and reorder it at the lower price for the lens.

PB_PM

Do you mean the 58mm F1.4? Never heard of a 55mm F1.8 sold by Nikon...