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  • SymphoticSymphotic Posts: 711Member
    Southwest of Nagasaki?????

    That is close to the disputed islands with China, known as Senkaku by Japan and Diaoyu by China. Are you going anywhere close to those?
    Nothing like that. Literally the offshore of the Southwest of Nagasaki Prefecture. I'm setting up a robotic underwater video system.
    Still nothing on the U.S. site, but the Df manual is available in English here:

    http://download3.nikonimglib.com/archive1/gHeBU00qXTcS00AUE5j77UXcD571/Df_EU(En)01.pdf.

    Enjoy!
    Jack Roberts
    "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought"--Albert Szent-Gyorgy
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  • kyoshinikonkyoshinikon Posts: 411Member
    I never read the manual until about a year later. I know what I want the camera for and I use it. It is funny tho because I usually am going "what what is this function! or "I didn't know that" after I read it.
    “To photograph is to hold one’s breath, when all faculties converge to capture fleeting reality. It’s at that precise moment that mastering an image becomes a great physical and intellectual joy.” - Bresson
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    I have a young friend who laughs at me and boasts he doesn't read - or need to read - any manuals, but typically he doesn't know how to do anything but the basics...
    Always learning.
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  • kyoshinikonkyoshinikon Posts: 411Member
    Well if you dont know the basics the manual is a must lol. Ive used so many nikons I kinda know at least 60% of what the camera has based on first glance but I am a all manual shooter. It is the easter eggs I've missed out on lol like the self timer in the D7000 or inputting a non cpu lens in the D200.
    “To photograph is to hold one’s breath, when all faculties converge to capture fleeting reality. It’s at that precise moment that mastering an image becomes a great physical and intellectual joy.” - Bresson
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    This guy didn't even know how to do high speed sync on his Canon 7D....
    Always learning.
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    Well ladies and gents, Adamz got a chance to play with the Df a few days ago, as well as, the new 50 1.8 it comes with. In addition, he also mounted the new 58 1.4 on his D800. I'm sure he is going to provide some input on for us all to talk about. :)
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • AdeAde Posts: 1,071Member
    Just one day after release and the Nikon Df kit is already in stock everywhere. I can't think of another major Nikon DSLR release that was't backlogged for weeks. Not a great sign for Nikon, and early reviews have been mixed.

    Maybe sales can still pick up for Christmas.
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  • blandbland Posts: 812Member
    Here you go, Ade. LOL :P

    Fo Ade
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  • AdeAde Posts: 1,071Member
    My 3 year old niece would really love that!!! :D
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  • blandbland Posts: 812Member
    Here's some low light living room shooting. All were shot at f2.8 1/125 ISO6400 +2 (only editing was to resize to 3000 wide)
    Tomorrow night I'll give it the real test at the concert. By the way, the AF was supper fast on the Df.
    These are the Df shots:

    Df-1

    Df-2
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  • blandbland Posts: 812Member
    Same shots and settings with my D800.

    D800-1

    D800-2
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  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 4,494Member
    Hardly any difference in noise between the two. Makes the Df look like a really bad buy.
    If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    edited November 2013
    Hardly any difference in noise between the two. Makes the Df look like a really bad buy.
    I disagree. I can clearly see the difference between the two sensor. The dynamic range of the D4 sensor is very noticeable in the "route 66" image. Specially when I look at the walls. The higher ISO used on the D800 show much more yellowish tone than the same shot on the Df. The noise is also noticeable to me in the blacks as well. I also, like the DOF on the "lens cap" image of the Df vs the D800. The bokeh, is also more pleasing, as well as, image sharpness and noise level.

    Post edited by Golf007sd on
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 4,494Member
    edited November 2013
    The yellowish tone in the D800 shot could simply be due to white balance settings. Bokeh? Seriously? It looks like the framing and, a different lens or F stop was used. Come on @Golf007sd you know as well as I do that cameras with the same sensor size will have no noticeable difference in bokeh when the same lens is used with the same settings and framing.
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    If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    edited November 2013
    You maybe right on the WB, but according to bland, he used the same settings.

    As for "bokeh" on the the two images, for what that there is, I see more background blur @ 2.8 at 70mm on the Df vs the D800. Again, bland has stated that the setting was the same.

    I downloaded each image at the max res and placed them next to one another in LR. Please do the same and tell me if you see it differently and I. I welcome your feedback...Cheers
    Post edited by Golf007sd on
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 4,494Member
    edited November 2013
    Just look at the shot of the caps, the framing is totally different, there is no way the bokeh could be the same in those two shots. We are talking about a matter of physics here, not the different between the D800 and the Df.
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    edited November 2013
    @PB_PM: Agreed. In fact, so is the position of the lens cap itself. :p

    Looking at the WB setting via EXIF shows that they were set to Auto.
    Post edited by Golf007sd on
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • blandbland Posts: 812Member
    The WB is set to auto in both cameras.
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  • PB_PMPB_PM Posts: 4,494Member
    edited November 2013
    Looking at the images in Aperture (Sorry I don't use Adobe products), I noticed one thing right off. The images were taken with Auto White balance, thus the colour difference.

    Noise wise the D800 files have a little more noise, but they also have way more detail. Thus some light noise reduction could be applied, and would easily produce a sharper, less noisy final image. Down sampling would also give the D800 an even greater advantage.

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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    From my perspective...given that I have a D4, I like the results of the Df.
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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  • TaoTeJaredTaoTeJared Posts: 1,306Member
    edited November 2013
    Got to play with one for about a half hour today (nothing like a camera store's computer system going down and sales people wanting to keep customers occupied) and overall I liked it.
    The things I noticed I didn't like was only due to it being smaller than a "pro" size body. Size felt like a mirrorless (and same idiocentricities with those), buttons a bit cramped and crammed in, no finger/thumb grab etc. Front dial didn't seem useful, a bit stiff and hard to use. Buttons on back did feel cramped with the big screen in comparison to a D800 but no more cramped than any other mirrorless or compact I played with. It is smaller and probably not a one-hand shooter. Found myself wanting more of a finger grip and a thumb rest/nub but felt better than a FM/FE. Really I would have been fine with a much smaller screen and more room for button spacing. I feel the exact same way of all mirrorless/compact systems though.

    What I did like: Dials all have locking mechanisms so you can't inadvertently change anything. As a tactile thing, all the dials felt really good. (Part of the only reason i probably do shoot some film.) It was light, but feels well built and it could take a good smack. It focused with a 24-120 (in low room light-iso6400, f4, 1/30th at 120mm) just as fast as my D800 did and worked fast though bursts. A Pro wanting a smaller system, or wants a mirrorless system and not sacrificing High iso IQ and FX bokeh, this is it. It's a nice little rig.

    Unfortunately I didn't have a sd card to save and compare photos. I have to go back in next week to pick orders up and if they still have one, I'll make sure to take a couple of test shots.

    They were selling - 9 total between 3 stores (plus 5 pre-orders) and only had 2 left from a delivery 3 days ago and they already put in an order for more. They said about every regular pro (Even Canon shooters) had probably been in to play with it. None didn't like it and the only thing holding most back was the price. I asked if others felt it was overpriced, and they said only one or two felt that way - it's just a big chunk to shell out before x-mas. One sales gal said they should have timed it around the time of Tax returns ;)
    Post edited by TaoTeJared on
    D800, D300, D50(ir converted), FujiX100, Canon G11, Olympus TG2. Nikon lenses - 24mm 2.8, 35mm 1.8, (5 in all)50mm, 60mm, 85mm 1.8, 105vr, 105 f2.5, 180mm 2.8, 70-200vr1, 24-120vr f4. Tokina 12-24mm, 16-28mm, 28-70mm (angenieux design), 300mm f2.8. Sigma 15mm fisheye. Voigtlander R2 (olive) & R2a, Voigt 35mm 2.5, Zeiss 50mm f/2, Leica 90mm f/4. I know I missed something...
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    edited November 2013
    Erm, I don't get the last few posts above Tao's - what were yous guys expecting? Did you expect a jump forward in some way? It would have been more useful actually to take a set of the same images with a D4 to compare to the DF.

    IMHO the images show the DF to give very adequate image quality for it's intended purpose - that purpose being that it is bought and used by people who care a lot about personal image and want a camera that looks fashionably retro.
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  • heartyfisherheartyfisher Posts: 3,192Member
    From my perspective...given that I have a D4, I like the results of the Df.
    Why? Please clarify. Thanks
    Moments of Light - D610 D7K S5pro 70-200f4 18-200 150f2.8 12-24 18-70 35-70f2.8 : C&C very welcome!
    Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.

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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    Oh, come on hearty - you know Ali is the ultimate Nikon/RRS fanboy!
    Always learning.
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  • Golf007sdGolf007sd Posts: 2,840Moderator
    edited November 2013
    @spraynpray: I stand behind the products I buy. I have not regrets in being a fan. Two thumbs up for Nikon and RRS.

    @heartyfisher: When you look at the size of Df body, and consider its cost, in relation to the price and size of the D4...the Df is very attractive body. The images taken, so far, speak for themselves...thanks to the sensor inside. Thus, for those that seek the functionality in image output, the Df is a going to be worth purchasing.

    My perspective in buying a Df body has changed....I look forward in having one in my bag given what I have seen over the past few weeks.
    Post edited by Golf007sd on
    D4 & D7000 | Nikon Holy Trinity Set + 105 2.8 Mico + 200 F2 VR II | 300 2.8G VR II, 10.5 Fish-eye, 24 & 50 1.4G, 35 & 85 1.8G, 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR I SB-400 & 700 | TC 1.4E III, 1.7 & 2.0E III, 1.7 | Sigma 35 & 50 1.4 DG HSM | RRS Ballhead & Tripods Gear | Gitzo Monopod | Lowepro Gear | HDR via Promote Control System |
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