And, the thread continues….from pre-guessing to post observing.
Nikon may have made up some ground with the D750. A lot of stuff working well on the camera, probably the best is the movable viewfinder for off axis shots.
Comparing with my D800E, the high ISO must be better. The D800E is all but over at 3200. The focusing system is apparently better, but, I think i will test the D800E with some sporty cars tomorrow.
I doubt I will purchase a D750 as I think I have the action and studio venues pretty well covered at present. For those who are looking for a new "all purpose" body, this may be the real deal.
Seems like a miracle deal for a full frame camera. I'm all set for FF cameras now, so I won't be getting this, but I would definitely pay the extra few hundred to get this over a D610. There is no reason not to move to full frame or even start with full frame for the first DSLR with the options from Nikon. They've come a long way in the last three years. Too bad about no 4k.
Jack Roberts "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought"--Albert Szent-Gyorgy
After looking at the info available I may be looking to upgrade my recently bought D610.
Its not that the D610 is not a great little beast. it is ! but i am a geek through and through.. and the geek point on the D750 is just so geeky !
* New carbon fibre body ! with a weird name Monocoque : geek points +1 * -3EV low light AF capability best in Nikon lineup : geek points +3 * Flippy screen with 1229kdots : geek points +2 * new cmos sensor will probably have better High ISO than D810 may be close to the Df. The D610 resolving power was close to D800, this new sensor will probably be even better. (User reports coming in that its 2 stops better than d600 ie very usable 6400 ) : geek points +2 * Expeed 4 : geek points +2 * 1.2 crop mode 16mp : geek points +1 * Metering system 91K RGB : geek points +1 * 6.5 FPS : geek points +0.5 * nice video features eg smooth auto ISO transitionals, aperture control etc. : geek points +2 * Wifi - may have been upgraded with better response and better control. : geek points +2
Total of more than 16 geek point over the D610 !
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Moments of Light - D610 D7K S5pro 70-200f4 18-200 150f2.8 12-24 18-70 35-70f2.8 : C&C very welcome! Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.
Heresy I'm sure but my D4 is looking decidedly long-in-the-tooth so depending on real world experience with the 750, I might be in the market to trade both my D4 and my 610 for a pair of 750's and a single battery box.
Lots of talk of this "2-stop" improvement in ISO. We hear this every time a new body is released. I for one won't believe it until we really see it. I know if Nikon were giving/producing a camera that was a legitimate 2 stops better, believe me they'd be hyping it.
Also must consider that we must compare apples to apples with resolution so a D810 will need to be down-sampled to compare. I also consider RAW data only when discussing noise performance because the rest is just software, not a true advancement in sensor performance.
Not convinced its 2 stops .. in fact the D610 still looks better in some comparison images. Maybe Matt messed up the comparison images.
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Moments of Light - D610 D7K S5pro 70-200f4 18-200 150f2.8 12-24 18-70 35-70f2.8 : C&C very welcome! Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.
Well, I share the disappointment of non-pro controls, but fully understand why they did it as I understand the level that the fps is nailed at. I really like that the hi ISO is even better than the D810 though, as that it really important to me (there goes the doubt over whether to get a D800E or D810). I like it enough to get it.
Negative points are the 1/4000th and the wi-fi. I don't think that wi-fi is going to be any more than the plug-in versions we can get for the D610/D7100 and when you compare that to the flexibility you get with the Canon versions, it really is mega-lame.
Well, I share the disappointment of non-pro controls.... Negative points are the 1/4000th and the wi-fi...
Besides that, I noticed no eyepiece shutter either. The D810 give you an eyepiece shutter, 1/8000, a full sized frame , and more MP than you can use without going to stratospherically expensive lenses. For $1000 more....
Wifi and gps are battery hogs: I fully understand why the Facebook set likes those features, but I wouldn't use them if I had them (I gave my GPS receiver to my son.)
Despite that, overall the D750 seems like a good deal, and puts Nikon as the number one FF DSLR body manufacturer.
Jack Roberts "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought"--Albert Szent-Gyorgy
Well, I share the disappointment of non-pro controls.... Negative points are the 1/4000th and the wi-fi...
Besides that, I noticed no eyepiece shutter either. The D810 give you an eyepiece shutter, 1/8000, a full sized frame , and more MP than you can use without going to stratospherically expensive lenses. For $1000 more....
Wifi and gps are battery hogs: I fully understand why the Facebook set likes those features, but I wouldn't use them if I had them (I gave my GPS receiver to my son.)
Despite that, overall the D750 seems like a good deal, and puts Nikon as the number one FF DSLR body manufacturer.
I am constantly referring to my GPS data so that I can figure out what to name my photos. Have a look at my Flickr thread in my post.
After looking at the info available I may be looking to upgrade my recently bought D610.
Its not that the D610 is not a great little beast. it is ! but i am a geek through and through.. and the geek point on the D750 is just so geeky !
* New carbon fibre body ! with a weird name Monocoque : geek points +1 * -3EV low light AF capability best in Nikon lineup : geek points +3 * Flippy screen with 1229kdots : geek points +2 * new cmos sensor will probably have better High ISO than D810 may be close to the Df. The D610 resolving power was close to D800, this new sensor will probably be even better. (User reports coming in that its 2 stops better than d600 ie very usable 6400 ) : geek points +2 * Expeed 4 : geek points +2 * 1.2 crop mode 16mp : geek points +1 * Metering system 91K RGB : geek points +1 * 6.5 FPS : geek points +0.5 * nice video features eg smooth auto ISO transitionals, aperture control etc. : geek points +2 * Wifi - may have been upgraded with better response and better control. : geek points +2
Total of more than 16 geek point over the D610 !
Heartyfisher, will you please do this for the D800. I want to know what my geek factor is.
Just back from a short vacation. The D650... errr I mean D750 might not be everything that everyone wanted, shocking i know, but it is a good bang for your buck camera. Great sensor, great AF, matching dual card slots, built in WIFI for wireless control via a smartphone (aka without needing an overpriced Nikon remote), flipping screen for video and crazy angle stills, lighter body, and good enough FPS for most things. Using D610 style controls? The 1/4000s shutter? Checking now, oh 2% of my shots are over 1/4000s. ND filter will take care of that. Flash sync speed? Don't use flash enough to care. So while the D750 is not the best, but I can get over it.
I could easily see myself selling my aging D700, and the D800 to get a pair of these cameras. Enough said.
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If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
+1 @PB_PM - selling your D700 and buying a D750+D800.
I think you miss understood. I would sell the D700, and the D800, then get two D750's. I've never been terribly happy with the D800's AF, so I won't be sad to see it go. I'll wait till the initial rush (2-3 months) is over and make sure there are no issues before I make any decisions though.
If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
I just got back from a day following my wife around various craft venues and I have to say that it is far more fun carrying a 610 than my brick of a D4, so the weight of a 750 will be much appreciated. It seems to me to be very remarkable how we as a group bond to our cameras to the point that it feels as if we spend far more time defending what we own than considering the merits of a new product. I mean to say that cameras are just tools we use in the pursuit of our creative activities so does it really matter if the 750 isn't an 810? Does it really matter if the 750 has significant build differences from a 700? Are we perhaps somewhat guilty of one-upmanship here? Please note I DO NOT WISH TO CRITICIZE ANY INDIVIDUAL lest I start a squabble. If the camera works for you does it really matter what it is?
2 stops in sensor performance would be a massive leap in performance. More likely Expeed 4 is better at cleaning up noise, making an "acceptable" jpeg at 1-2 stops higher than the D610, but you'd only see a marginal difference in raw files.
Not surprised, the KR say stuff like that all the time. Now this time he is right, the D750 is just an upgraded D610. Nothing wrong with saying what is true.
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If I take a good photo it's not my camera's fault.
+1 @PB_PM - selling your D700 and buying a D750+D800.
I think you miss understood. I would sell the D700, and the D800, then get two D750's. I've never been terribly happy with the D800's AF, so I won't be sad to see it go. I'll wait till the initial rush (2-3 months) is over and make sure there are no issues before I make any decisions though.
Opps...now I understand. The great thing about having two D750's is that when switching between cameras the operation and menus are identical. Go for it.
D750 & D7100 | 24-70 F2.8 G AF-S ED, 70-200 F2.8 AF VR, TC-14E III, TC-1.7EII, 35 F2 AF D, 50mm F1.8G, 105mm G AF-S VR | Backup & Wife's Gear: D5500 & Sony HX50V | 18-140 AF-S ED VR DX, 55-300 AF-S G VR DX | |SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
According to Nikon the D750 is going to be available the middle of October. My camera dealer manager is concern there will be a run on this model and told me to place my pre-order now. So if your on-the-fence I would not wait too long.
D750 & D7100 | 24-70 F2.8 G AF-S ED, 70-200 F2.8 AF VR, TC-14E III, TC-1.7EII, 35 F2 AF D, 50mm F1.8G, 105mm G AF-S VR | Backup & Wife's Gear: D5500 & Sony HX50V | 18-140 AF-S ED VR DX, 55-300 AF-S G VR DX | |SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
Agree completely. But that's life on Internet forums (the car ones are brutal). It's a human reaction. We relate to our objects, they become a part of us, or relation, akin to friend. Even objects we don't own, but dream about. Then someone comes and says (usually in entirely different contexts) X-Y-Z sucks, so it's human to get defensive.
Anyway, I'm totally in on the D750. Great features, specs, price, value. Looks like the Goldilocks full frame model. If only I could fund it, and FF lenses....
I just got back from a day following my wife around various craft venues and I have to say that it is far more fun carrying a 610 than my brick of a D4, so the weight of a 750 will be much appreciated. It seems to me to be very remarkable how we as a group bond to our cameras to the point that it feels as if we spend far more time defending what we own than considering the merits of a new product. I mean to say that cameras are just tools we use in the pursuit of our creative activities so does it really matter if the 750 isn't an 810? Does it really matter if the 750 has significant build differences from a 700? Are we perhaps somewhat guilty of one-upmanship here? Please note I DO NOT WISH TO CRITICIZE ANY INDIVIDUAL lest I start a squabble. If the camera works for you does it really matter what it is?
D7100, D60, 35mm f/1.8 DX, 50mm f/1.4, 18-105mm DX, 18-55mm VR II, Sony RX-100 ii
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Nikon may have made up some ground with the D750. A lot of stuff working well on the camera, probably the best is the movable viewfinder for off axis shots.
Comparing with my D800E, the high ISO must be better. The D800E is all but over at 3200. The focusing system is apparently better, but, I think i will test the D800E with some sporty cars tomorrow.
I doubt I will purchase a D750 as I think I have the action and studio venues pretty well covered at present. For those who are looking for a new "all purpose" body, this may be the real deal.
Too bad about no 4k.
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought"--Albert Szent-Gyorgy
Its not that the D610 is not a great little beast. it is ! but i am a geek through and through.. and the geek point on the D750 is just so geeky !
* New carbon fibre body ! with a weird name Monocoque : geek points +1
* -3EV low light AF capability best in Nikon lineup : geek points +3
* Flippy screen with 1229kdots : geek points +2
* new cmos sensor will probably have better High ISO than D810 may be close to the Df. The D610 resolving power was close to D800, this new sensor will probably be even better. (User reports coming in that its 2 stops better than d600 ie very usable 6400 ) : geek points +2
* Expeed 4 : geek points +2
* 1.2 crop mode 16mp : geek points +1
* Metering system 91K RGB : geek points +1
* 6.5 FPS : geek points +0.5
* nice video features eg smooth auto ISO transitionals, aperture control etc. : geek points +2
* Wifi - may have been upgraded with better response and better control. : geek points +2
Total of more than 16 geek point over the D610 !
Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.
Also must consider that we must compare apples to apples with resolution so a D810 will need to be down-sampled to compare. I also consider RAW data only when discussing noise performance because the rest is just software, not a true advancement in sensor performance.
http://www.mattgranger.com/d750
Not convinced its 2 stops .. in fact the D610 still looks better in some comparison images. Maybe Matt messed up the comparison images.
Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.
Negative points are the 1/4000th and the wi-fi. I don't think that wi-fi is going to be any more than the plug-in versions we can get for the D610/D7100 and when you compare that to the flexibility you get with the Canon versions, it really is mega-lame.
Wifi and gps are battery hogs: I fully understand why the Facebook set likes those features, but I wouldn't use them if I had them (I gave my GPS receiver to my son.)
Despite that, overall the D750 seems like a good deal, and puts Nikon as the number one FF DSLR body manufacturer.
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought"--Albert Szent-Gyorgy
I could easily see myself selling my aging D700, and the D800 to get a pair of these cameras. Enough said.
I really expect to see a bunch of D700's on eBay as people sell them to buy a D750.
For giggles went to KR's web site to look at the the specs and his comparison table. Interesting how he just calls it's an upgraded D610.
|SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
|SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
|SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
Anyway, I'm totally in on the D750. Great features, specs, price, value. Looks like the Goldilocks full frame model. If only I could fund it, and FF lenses....