Then how do you explain that the opening price for an FX camera is declining.
Already did that, in two earlier posts. Volume of unit sales and production efficiency. Then add that to the fact that it is very likely that the D610 and Canon 6D are loss leaders to push higher margin full frame lens sales. Sony tried to do the same thing with their first entry level full frame body, in 2009, they just didn't have the consumer grade lenses to go with it.
Regardless we are dragging this thread way off the topic of a Pro DX body.
After 22 pages, there is something left to say that is on topic?
You certainly did say it several times, and I still don't buy it. But oh well. Let's wait seven to ten years and we will settle it then. Loser buys the other the cheapest FX camera available. Ah forget it, I have no use for a $400 camera.
Donaldjose, I bet that a D400 already exists in several parallel universes.
In all seriousness, I think that everyone will have to settle for a 54 megapixel FX. But I have been wrong before and maybe this is one of those times. I would be happy for all.
I don't expect to see D400/D9300 from Nikon anytime soon if ever and I've woken up from the day dream of D400/D9300, However I'd play around with the idea of sticking in the higher 28 MP sensor, full pro control layout, and fully magnesium framed chassis on D7200 body with 8 fps I'd call that a pro DX body. )
I'm waiting for D7200 (Body only)
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D7200, 40mm Micro Nikkor f2.8, Lowepro AW Hatchback 16,
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7200 better than D300?! 7100 and 7200 are plastic shit, only new!!! D300 is still good camera and for now there is no camera to replace it(price, body quality). We need next generation of D300/D300s!
7200 better than D300?! 7100 and 7200 are plastic shit,
If you compare the final results, I don't think you will be able to tell which images are taken with a plastic body and ones were taken with a magnesium alloy body
You will seen a big difference, in the IQ, between a current generation sensor / processor and ones designed 7 years ago
7200 better than D300?! 7100 and 7200 are plastic shit,
You want to talk about "plastic shit"? Tell that to somebody who came from Canon T2i Now that's a plastic shit!!! :-) but seriously I don't see any fair justification for you to group D7xxx series as plastic. The IQ, Sensor, and the CPUs are light years ahead on the D7xxx than the "Pro" body of D3xx. The D7xxx has magnesium chassis/frame albeit rear and top/bottom. However it has right amount of structural rigidity and the weather sealing to boot. and lastly 12 MP vs 24MP, and Expeed1 vs Expeed 4? come on man?!
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D7200, 40mm Micro Nikkor f2.8, Lowepro AW Hatchback 16,
7200 better than D300?! 7100 and 7200 are plastic shit, only new!!! D300 is still good camera and for now there is no camera to replace it(price, body quality). We need next generation of D300/D300s!
You got a -1 from me for grouping most readers (and in fact members) of this forum as "operators of plastic shit". I am the proud owner of a D800, but many DX owners are better photographers than I and get better results. Also, this "plastic shit" is better than 90% of what is being offered by competitors. It is this market that keeps Nikon and Canon in business.
"The magnesium alloy employed for the top and rear covers endows the camera with high robustness and durability, despite its compact, lightweight body. The body is effectively sealed at various locations, ensuring weather-resistance and dust-prevention performance, equivalent to the D800 series and D300S."
So yeah, pretty much "plastic shit". I wouldn't buy one if I were you, more for the rest of us ;-)
My 7100 is feeling really jealous and lonely now that I have been taking only the 810 out for shooting recently. I do really miss the U1 and U2 modes from the 7100 though... I frequently accidentally bump one of shutter speed or aperture dials on the 810 when walking.
Is there a way to assign one of the buttons on the 810 to be able to cycle through the custom banks? What I would love is to be able to look through the viewfinder, and similar to assigning a button to be able to cycle through the various crop modes, I would like to assign a button to be able to cycle through the custom banks. Any help is greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!!!
7200 better than D300?! 7100 and 7200 are plastic shit, only new!!! D300 is still good camera and for now there is no camera to replace it(price, body quality). We need next generation of D300/D300s!
I haven't posted in this thread for a while, but I have to also give you a -1 for such an insulting AND ridiculous post.
Nikon D7100; AF-S DX 35mm f1.8; AF-S DX Macro 40mm f2.8; AF-S DX 18-200mm VRII; SB-700 Speed Light and a bunch of other not very noteworthy stuff......
7200 better than D300?! 7100 and 7200 are plastic shit, only new!!! D300 is still good camera and for now there is no camera to replace it(price, body quality). We need next generation of D300/D300s!
Unreal post...I was one of the first to give you a "-1". Looks like he hasn't come back since he made that post or he read the replies and left with no response.
D750 & D7100 | 24-70 F2.8 G AF-S ED, 70-200 F2.8 AF VR, TC-14E III, TC-1.7EII, 35 F2 AF D, 50mm F1.8G, 105mm G AF-S VR | Backup & Wife's Gear: D5500 & Sony HX50V | 18-140 AF-S ED VR DX, 55-300 AF-S G VR DX | |SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
7200 better than D300?! 7100 and 7200 are plastic shit, only new!!! D300 is still good camera and for now there is no camera to replace it(price, body quality). We need next generation of D300/D300s!
Unreal post...I was one of the first to give you a "-1". Looks like he hasn't come back since he made that post or he read the replies and left with no response.
lol guys may have just got trolled ;-) but if you just read the sentiment and not the literal then he does have a point.
I had a D200 clone.. and needed to upgrade, the D300 was not better and I was forced to get a D7000 a few years back when the D400 had not appeared. It was supposed to have been a way to tide me over while waiting for this mythical D400 .. it was a REALLY painful "downgrade" from the pro body to the D7000. so yes I feel his pain when he calls it "plastic shit" .. I have resigned myself to the fact that I may never get the D400. @faateris move on and just take photos !
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Moments of Light - D610 D7K S5pro 70-200f4 18-200 150f2.8 12-24 18-70 35-70f2.8 : C&C very welcome! Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.
forced???? Sorry. With the greatest respect. I don't understand No one forced you to do anything of the sort
If you wanted a pro body why did you not get a D800 or a S/H D700
$2000+ difference .. and the D400 was around the corner 4 years ago ;-) (+FX lenses = $5000 upgrade) Took me a couple of years to warm to the D7000 body style.. not going near a D8xx in case it reignites my muscle memory of the Pro bodies ;-) and I start pining for it again :-) (instead of just using my "plastic shit").
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Moments of Light - D610 D7K S5pro 70-200f4 18-200 150f2.8 12-24 18-70 35-70f2.8 : C&C very welcome! Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.
Nothing has changed, but the D400 continues to be everything we want it to be. That is one of the best things with cameras that don't exist. It is of course also very lightweight and easy on the battery.
Nothing has changed, but the D400 continues to be everything we want it to be.
I understand why people want A profession camera for under $2000 8-10 fps High pixel density ( reach) Lightweight High IQ at high ISO values High DR 51 focus points A tough weather-sealed full metal body EXPEED4
I also understand, why MS MOTO might want it to be mirrorless
But why cripple such a camera by making it Dx?
Dx would not take full advantage of any of, the F mount,, wide and superwide, primes or zooms such as the 24mm f1.4
If there wasn't a great interest in a D400 the threads about such a body would not be as long as they are. It has become an emotional subject. Hopefully, Nikon will soon produce a great one and sell tons of them helping Nikon survive to make even more great stuff for us. We all have a vested interest in Nikon selling as much as possible.
Hey I resemble that remark! Apparently it does if you want to photograph hydrogen-alpha wavelengths only... Sorry I couldn't resist, and yes I agree with your argument that the 810a was an easy mod for Nikon.
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You certainly did say it several times, and I still don't buy it. But oh well. Let's wait seven to ten years and we will settle it then. Loser buys the other the cheapest FX camera available. Ah forget it, I have no use for a $400 camera.
Donaldjose, I bet that a D400 already exists in several parallel universes.
In all seriousness, I think that everyone will have to settle for a 54 megapixel FX. But I have been wrong before and maybe this is one of those times. I would be happy for all.
I'm waiting for D7200 (Body only)
What the heck are we going to talk about when the D400 comes out?
Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.
When are we going to get our D500! of course.... ;-)
Old friends now gone -D200, D300, 80-200 f2.3/D, 18-200, 35 f1.8G, 180 f2.8D, F, FM2, MD-12, 50 f1.4 Ais, 50 f1.8 Ais, 105 f2.5 Ais, 24 f2.8 Ais, 180 f2.8 ED Ais
You will seen a big difference, in the IQ, between a current generation sensor / processor and ones designed 7 years ago
If build quality is important get a D4s
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/features03.htm
"The magnesium alloy employed for the top and rear covers endows the camera with high robustness and durability, despite its compact, lightweight body. The body is effectively sealed at various locations, ensuring weather-resistance and dust-prevention performance, equivalent to the D800 series and D300S."
So yeah, pretty much "plastic shit". I wouldn't buy one if I were you, more for the rest of us ;-)
I do really miss the U1 and U2 modes from the 7100 though... I frequently accidentally bump one of shutter speed or aperture dials on the 810 when walking.
Is there a way to assign one of the buttons on the 810 to be able to cycle through the custom banks? What I would love is to be able to look through the viewfinder, and similar to assigning a button to be able to cycle through the various crop modes, I would like to assign a button to be able to cycle through the custom banks. Any help is greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!!!
http://download3.nikonimglib.com/archive1/Uslma00vmWju01F4NIw08vXsPQ61/D810FM_DL(En)01.pdf
owh, that was said already..... sorry...
Looks like he hasn't come back since he made that post or he read the replies and left with no response.
|SB-800, Amaran Halo LED Ring light | MB-D16 grip| Gitzo GT3541 + RRS BH-55LR, Gitzo GM2942 + Sirui L-10 | RRS gear | Lowepro, ThinkTank, & Hoodman gear | BosStrap | Vello Freewave Plus wireless Remote, Leica Lens Cleaning Cloth |
I had a D200 clone.. and needed to upgrade, the D300 was not better and I was forced to get a D7000 a few years back when the D400 had not appeared. It was supposed to have been a way to tide me over while waiting for this mythical D400 .. it was a REALLY painful "downgrade" from the pro body to the D7000. so yes I feel his pain when he calls it "plastic shit" .. I have resigned myself to the fact that I may never get the D400. @faateris move on and just take photos !
Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.
Sorry. With the greatest respect. I don't understand
No one forced you to do anything of the sort
If you wanted a pro body why did you not get a D800 or a S/H D700
Took me a couple of years to warm to the D7000 body style.. not going near a D8xx in case it reignites my muscle memory of the Pro bodies ;-) and I start pining for it again :-) (instead of just using my "plastic shit").
Being a photographer is a lot like being a Christian: Some people look at you funny but do not see the amazing beauty all around them - heartyfisher.
A profession camera for under $2000
8-10 fps
High pixel density ( reach)
Lightweight
High IQ at high ISO values
High DR
51 focus points
A tough weather-sealed full metal body
EXPEED4
I also understand, why MS MOTO might want it to be mirrorless
But why cripple such a camera by making it Dx?
Dx would not take full advantage of any of, the F mount,, wide and superwide, primes or zooms
such as the 24mm f1.4
"10 diehards does not a market make." Agreed. If Nikon does produce a D400 we will see how many units they sell. Until then, we don't know.
Have Nikon told us how many D300s they sold