New Nikon Full Frame Mirrorless Being Field Tested Now!

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  • kanuckkanuck Posts: 1,300Member
    edited April 2015
    I don't know I love my Leica M9p and lenses its my favorite camera actually right up there with my D810 and the old D700 I used to use. I use my M for paid work quite a bit more than my D810, which I generally use for serious but hobby type landscapes. I agree that Leica's limited editions are for suckers with too much money though...

    I think an FX Mirrorless Nikon is very exciting news and a great step forward in technology for F mounters everywhere. I can't wait for it's release. I'm thinking D3300 type specs and at best D610 like MSmoto suggests.
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  • donaldejosedonaldejose Posts: 3,446Member
    I am sure if Nikon produces a full frame mirrorless body it will just be the first in a series of such bodies. Consider the Nikon 1 line: S line, J line and V line. Consider the Niikon FX line: lower end D610, mid-level D750 and high end D810 and D4s. Consider the Nikon DX line: low end D3300 and D5500, mid-line D7100 and D7200, and missing high end DX (which will be out before the end of this year?). Notice each sensor size has a three tier level of bodies. I would expect the same three tier level of bodies for a Nikon full frame mirrorless body. We don't know if the first one out will be a low level, mid-level or high level. As soon as Nikon produces such a body with a built in EV Nikon should trump Leica.
  • NSXTypeRNSXTypeR Posts: 2,251Member
    Wow, there's a fair bit of negativity on a device that isn't even out yet.

    How about you wait and see when the device comes out and then complain about it?

    What a bunch of debbie downers. :D
    Nikon D7000/ Nikon D40/ Nikon FM2/ 18-135 AF-S/ 35mm 1.8 AF-S/ 105mm Macro AF-S/ 50mm 1.2 AI-S
  • WestEndFotoWestEndFoto Posts: 3,675Member
    It won't trump Leica unless it matched the lenses, which are the true determinants of image quality. Leica is also a very different market that most Nikon users don't understand.

    However, it may very well trump what Nikon users like us like about Leica.
  • PhotobugPhotobug Posts: 5,751Member
    @Msmoto - you really stepped up to the plate. Good comments...especially about the grip for us "older" shooters. LoL :-)) =D> =))
    D750 & D7100 | 24-70 F2.8 G AF-S ED, 70-200 F2.8 AF VR, TC-14E III, TC-1.7EII, 35 F2 AF D, 50mm F1.8G, 105mm G AF-S VR | Backup & Wife's Gear: D5500 & Sony HX50V | 18-140 AF-S ED VR DX, 55-300 AF-S G VR DX |
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  • donaldejosedonaldejose Posts: 3,446Member
    Nikon's image sensor will leave the Leica M9 in the dust. Surely Nikon will have to make a spacer type of adapter because it will not abandon the use of legacy lenses. Such an adapter is easy because it is essentially just a spacer with electrical connections, no glass needed. If Nikon is smart they will make an adapter which allows for the use of Leica lenses on the Nikon mirrorless body. Then those who want to use Leica lenses can do so.
  • snakebunksnakebunk Posts: 991Member
    This is exciting news. Personally I need an evf and a good grip. I don't need the camera to be small since I shoot with a large lense most of the time.
  • funtagraphfuntagraph Posts: 265Member
    Leica can't be killed by another dull, spiritless, "same crap as every manufacturer offers" mirrorless body designed with the only target: to empty the pockets of Nikon users, because we buy Nikon in the first place and sometimes it does happen they have two or three functions in we're really happy with. We're happy with excellent picture quality and my guess is, this body will deliver that - unfortunately at the cost of old usability concepts. Mounting antique optic in front of a modern sensor is and remains pointless as those sensors need different optics and the old glass was made for film - without 2…4 mm glass stacks in front of it.

    Nothing about that rumor excites me. A test mule, @Msmoto wrote. To make sure not to come out with a complete waste of material and energy. But then, Nikon is not famous for innovative concepts or phototech-revolutions. The evolve mostly carefully and always remaining on the safe, risk-free side. Useless to complain about as I also appreciate when this "disadvantage" (not coming out with a bucket full of new mounts and then bring the new ones) becomes advantage of long term safe investment.
  • PistnbrokePistnbroke Posts: 2,397Member
    No viewfinder NO SALE
  • haroldpharoldp Posts: 984Member
    I am a a Leica (and Nikon) user for 50 years starting with a Nikon F and a Leica M2 in 1966, both of which I still have. My latest Leica is an M9.

    After considering the new Leica M240, because it has an EVF option which I much prefer to auxiliary finders for wide angle lenses, I actually bought a Sony A7II and fotodiox adapter, which I use only with Leica lenses. Neither Sony nor Zeiss make a lens worth buying for this mount.

    Sony's evf is much better than Leica's, sensor is equal, Sony adds VR to my leica glass, and is 1/4 the price of M240.

    I would much rather have bought a Nikon mirrorless as my Leica mount if one was available, to preserve my PP workflow, and the flexibility of using Nikon lenses, but like many others, no evf, no grip, = non-starter.

    .... H
    D810, D3x, 14-24/2.8, 50/1.4D, 24-70/2.8, 24-120/4 VR, 70-200/2.8 VR1, 80-400 G, 200-400/4 VR1, 400/2.8 ED VR G, 105/2 DC, 17-55/2.8.
    Nikon N90s, F100, F, lots of Leica M digital and film stuff.

  • heartyfisherheartyfisher Posts: 3,185Member
    edited April 2015
    Why would Nikon use the F mount for its mirrorless full frame
    1) compatibility with all the nikon lenses
    2) You dont gain much advantages in weight and sizes for FX lenses
    3) incompatibility with all other manufacturers lenses.
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  • sevencrossingsevencrossing Posts: 2,800Member
    edited April 2015
    NSXTypeR Wow, there's a fair bit of negativity on a device that isn't even out yet.

    +1

    There are times, when I wonder if this forum should be renamed, Nikon Moaners
    It is quite normal here, for people to complain about cameras they have never used, so you should not be surprised when they moan about a camera that yet exist

    Depending on the sensor, This might be a camera for me. If it has 36 mp or more, it could perfect for landscapes photographers, who have a range of F mount lenses, want D810 IQ without the weight
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  • haroldpharoldp Posts: 984Member
    If it has no viewfinder as reported, being 'out' or not adds no useful information for me, as no configuration lacking a viewfinder is suitable for my use.

    This is not negative or positive about the device, it is about my usage needs.

    Others needs may vary, and I have no opinions about those.

    .... H
    D810, D3x, 14-24/2.8, 50/1.4D, 24-70/2.8, 24-120/4 VR, 70-200/2.8 VR1, 80-400 G, 200-400/4 VR1, 400/2.8 ED VR G, 105/2 DC, 17-55/2.8.
    Nikon N90s, F100, F, lots of Leica M digital and film stuff.

  • sevencrossingsevencrossing Posts: 2,800Member
    edited April 2015
    Not having a viewfinder would not matter to people who want to operate a camera remotely
    Drone photography is becoming very popular. Phase one have a lightweight camera for just for drones

    I guess an evf and a grip could be accessories, not included in the base camera, to keep the weight down

    I see this very much as a second cameras, for specialist applications
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  • haroldpharoldp Posts: 984Member
    I have not and never have offered opinions on what others should want or need, only about my needs.

    ... H
    D810, D3x, 14-24/2.8, 50/1.4D, 24-70/2.8, 24-120/4 VR, 70-200/2.8 VR1, 80-400 G, 200-400/4 VR1, 400/2.8 ED VR G, 105/2 DC, 17-55/2.8.
    Nikon N90s, F100, F, lots of Leica M digital and film stuff.

  • donaldejosedonaldejose Posts: 3,446Member
    "I see this very much as a second cameras, for specialist applications." Too early to make that assessment. I suspect it is eventually going to be a full new line of mirrorless bodies from consumer to advanced to pro versions. Size will probably be like the Sony A full frame bodies.
  • kanuckkanuck Posts: 1,300Member
    edited April 2015
    For sure, I would definitely only consider this as a second fun camera to carry around whenever weight or space is a concern. At least until the Nikon FX Mirror-less line reaches a highly sophisticated state like where the FX and DX lines are at now. Either way, this has got to be considered an exciting announcement and the next progressive step forward in technology. I guess we owe a thanks to Sony =D>
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  • sevencrossingsevencrossing Posts: 2,800Member
    edited April 2015
    The Nikon F was by no means the first 35mm SLR but when Nikon finally got round to making one. They got it right big time

    May be this mirror less, will be a ground breaking camera, in the same way as the F


    kanuck .......until the Nikon FX Mirror-less line reaches a highly sophisticated state............


    Technology is moving at blistering fast rate; so no matter how sophisticated this camera is.
    It will probably be out of date, in 3 years time


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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    I am going to guess again, but the first iteration will be introduced, and within a year, we will have more of a hi ISO pro model (D4s like), and a hi MP (D810 like).

    We will know when the transition has begun when we see the mirrorless at the end of the 400-800mm big guns. What will also be interesting are the models Canon comes out with as competition to each of the various iterations of the Nikon mirrorless.

    And, of course I am still of the belief that when the head of Nikon and the head of Canon are out playing golf, both hit into the rough and as they are searching for their golf balls, many corporate decisions are being made... :)) =D> :x
    Msmoto, mod
  • kanuckkanuck Posts: 1,300Member
    Can you imagine a 450g body attached to those big 400mm and 200~400mm lenses though Msmoto? I can't. Perhaps a revolution will continue with the new Phase Fresnal (PF) technology glass allowing for lighter lens creation. I am still amazed that the once heavy dumbell 300mm F4 now weighs considerably less than the 24-70 and with improved VR to boot!
  • funtagraphfuntagraph Posts: 265Member
    You mean "a 450 gr body without a proper finder"? :D

    ' course I can - and it's a great way to put a grin in my face.
  • kanuckkanuck Posts: 1,300Member
    edited April 2015
    You mean "a 450 gr body without a proper finder"? :D

    ' course I can - and it's a great way to put a grin in my face.
    Would you not be freaking out constantly about the stress on the mount though? Pretty sure I would be with 4 pounds (and 10 grand) hanging onto a 450g body. Believe me, I share you attraction for this rumored little gem though! :)>-
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  • funtagraphfuntagraph Posts: 265Member
    Nobody I know holds a "4 pounds (and 10 grand)" lens by holding his DSLR with two hands. ;)

    Btw. the lightest 400 I saw was 3.8 kg which is something like 7…8 pounds? Tripod and gimbal or monopod and the only weight for the mount is the body itself.
  • haroldpharoldp Posts: 984Member
    That is why the tripod mount on those lenses is on the lens.
    D810, D3x, 14-24/2.8, 50/1.4D, 24-70/2.8, 24-120/4 VR, 70-200/2.8 VR1, 80-400 G, 200-400/4 VR1, 400/2.8 ED VR G, 105/2 DC, 17-55/2.8.
    Nikon N90s, F100, F, lots of Leica M digital and film stuff.

  • snakebunksnakebunk Posts: 991Member
    And, doesn't a mirrorless camera has to be about the same size as a dslr if it uses the f mount?
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