Z7-Z6 Lenses

NSXTypeR

mhedges said:

NSXTypeR said:

It's kind of a shame that Nikon moved to mirrorless so quickly, I'd like to see what they can do with phase fresnel lenses in general.

This is sarcasm, right?

Seriously though - I'm sure we will eventually get PF Z lenses. As far as using PF elements in non-telephoto designs - that's an interesting thought. I wonder if we will get any.

It's not really sarcasm, there's a whole line of legacy lenses for the F mount. I am not planning to go mirrorless anytime soon, so I'm still interested F mount lenses. Plus, you can't use Z mount lenses on film bodies.

I guess the best analogy I can think of is GM's LS3 motor. Still pushrod, still relatively large, but makes massive power easily and fairly simple to work on. I love Japanese cars, but it can take a lot of work to get power out of it. Is it anachronistic today when we have DOHC engines, flat plane cranks and more modern engines? Yes. Does it work well?

Absolutely.

I don't know who mentioned it in prior messages, but I've also noticed a bit of a drop too on F-mount lenses. The new AF-S 70-300 used to sell closer to $700, now it's always available for around $550.

mhedges

NSXTypeR said:

The new AF-S 70-300 used to sell closer to $700, now it's always available for around $550.

Thinking you mean the AF-P lens? It's been at that price for at least a year now. $550 is a steal, IMO.

NSXTypeR

mhedges said:

NSXTypeR said:

The new AF-S 70-300 used to sell closer to $700, now it's always available for around $550.

Thinking you mean the AF-P lens? It's been at that price for at least a year now. $550 is a steal, IMO.

Yes. I would have picked one up, but the D7000 doesn't quite have full compatibility with it.

BVS

NSXTypeR said:

mhedges said:

NSXTypeR said:

The new AF-S 70-300 used to sell closer to $700, now it's always available for around $550.

Thinking you mean the AF-P lens? It's been at that price for at least a year now. $550 is a steal, IMO.

Yes. I would have picked one up, but the D7000 doesn't quite have full compatibility with it.

You can get a refurb D7500 from B&H for $599 right now - 20.9MP, 8fps, 50 shot buffer, 4K video, auto AF fine tune, 51pt -3EV AF, 180K meter, etc.

If you have to have a second card slot, grip, or compatibility with really old lenses then a refurb D7200 is $694.

mhedges

NSXTypeR said:

mhedges said:

NSXTypeR said:

The new AF-S 70-300 used to sell closer to $700, now it's always available for around $550.

Thinking you mean the AF-P lens? It's been at that price for at least a year now. $550 is a steal, IMO.

Yes. I would have picked one up, but the D7000 doesn't quite have full compatibility with it.

For some reason I thought it did with the FX version, but I'm not sure.

NSXTypeR

BVS said:

You can get a refurb D7500 from B&H for $599 right now - 20.9MP, 8fps, 50 shot buffer, 4K video, auto AF fine tune, 51pt -3EV AF, 180K meter, etc.

If you have to have a second card slot, grip, or compatibility with really old lenses then a refurb D7200 is $694.

No, I'm definitely picking up a D7500 when Nikon announces the end of DX. I'm sure there will be good deals to be had.

mhedges said:

For some reason I thought it did with the FX version, but I'm not sure.

It sort of does, I think you just can't turn off VR. I guess it would be a problem with high shutter speed panning.

Symphotic

I got my 85 mm /1.8S today：
https://flic.kr/p/2hgBd9A

Ton14

Have fun with it, I used the 85mm f/1.8 so much on my DSLR's, I buy it next month.

mhedges

Enjoy - let us know how you like it.

Symphotic

mhedges said:

Enjoy - let us know how you like it.

My first impression is that it is quite compact. It has the same general feel as the other S-line lines.
At f/1.8 it does isolate the subject from the background quite well, but it doesn’t focus up close. I’ll try it out when I am on the road sometime soon.
I don’t know if I’ll be asked to take any portraits again anytime soon, as that isn’t my field, but I’ll try it out on some upcoming travel.

rmp

Is anyone going to buy the $8K Noct lens? Why? What does the f/0.95 really give you?

WestEndFoto

I will. I will expect uncompromising optics. F/0.95 is secondary. I will wait for a Z body with the same ergonomics as the D6 I will buy though.

mhedges

WestEndFoto said:

I will. I will expect uncompromising optics. F/0.95 is secondary. I will wait for a Z body with the same ergonomics as the D6 I will buy though.

Do you think it will really be better than say the upcoming Z 50 1.2? Aren't there compromises to get something that fast?

tc88

I would imagine there were already some lens with "uncompromising optics" made before, and they have since been surpassed by better lens.

The point is, "uncompromising optics" is purely a marketing term. It's illogical to expect lens with "uncompromising optics" because so far there is no way to make perfect lens. And as technology advances, we will expect better lens in the future.

WestEndFoto

mhedges said:

WestEndFoto said:

I will. I will expect uncompromising optics. F/0.95 is secondary. I will wait for a Z body with the same ergonomics as the D6 I will buy though.

Do you think it will really be better than say the upcoming Z 50 1.2? Aren't there compromises to get something that fast?

Not sure. But it will be fun to see.

WestEndFoto

tc88 said:

I would imagine there were already some lens with "uncompromising optics" made before, and they have since been surpassed by better lens.

The point is, "uncompromising optics" is purely a marketing term. It's illogical to expect lens with "uncompromising optics" because so far there is no way to make perfect lens. And as technology advances, we will expect better lens in the future.

Yes, it is a marketing term. But there is meaning behind it. For example, I would expect better sharpness and zero coma at 1.2 on the 0.95 than the 1.2. But.....we will see.

donaldejose

Look at Nikon's super telephotos. They do have "uncompromising optics" and you can expect that Nikon will produce the same in such an expensive lens as the 0.95. It will offer much more than just f0.95 to justify that price.

rmp

I will probably not buy it. But, I would love to hear about and see the images produced by those that do buy it.

donaldejose

I won't buy it either. Too expensive for the limited uses I would make of it. I will get a similar image shot at f1.8 or f1.4 or f1.2 by just moving the subject further from the background to create the additional blur. Plus, I hate working with manual focus and only do it with focus peaking and very old lenses (such at old Russian copies of Leica lenses, after WWII Russians stole designs and machines from the Leica factory and produced the same lenses in Russia under Russian names) for some retro fun at times. But I also am anxious to see some photos taken with this lens.

mhedges

I want to see the Z 70-200. I just picked up a used F mount VRII version, so I won't be buying right away, but I'm really curious about the size and performance.

donaldejose

"size and performance" will be smaller and better! That is how Nikon is making the S lens line. As for me, it is time to stop buying f mount lenses and build up an S lens line awaiting the inevitable Z8 or Z9 body.

ggbutcher

mhedges said:

I want to see the Z 70-200. I just picked up a used F mount VRII version, so I won't be buying right away, but I'm really curious about the size and performance.

Yes, 70-200. I'm on vacation right now, and have had numerous situations where a long telephoto would have been helpful. I have a shot of a pair of a brightly-colored Hawaiian birds, but I had to crop horrendously to get a decent composition...

mhedges

donaldejose said:

"size and performance" will be smaller and better! That is how Nikon is making the S lens line. As for me, it is time to stop buying f mount lenses and build up an S lens line awaiting the inevitable Z8 or Z9 body.

It will be smaller for sure. I don't know that it will better in any practical sense - the current F mount 70-200 is the best one out there, right? I mean, it will probably measure better, but in terms of real world usage I don't expect it will be any better.

ggbutcher said:

mhedges said:

I want to see the Z 70-200. I just picked up a used F mount VRII version, so I won't be buying right away, but I'm really curious about the size and performance.

Yes, 70-200. I'm on vacation right now, and have had numerous situations where a long telephoto would have been helpful. I have a shot of a pair of a brightly-colored Hawaiian birds, but I had to crop horrendously to get a decent composition...

Well a 70-200 2.8 wouldn't be my first choice for vacation pics anyway. Just too big. Do you have the 70-300 AF-P? It's a great lens.

ggbutcher

mhedges said:

I want to see the Z 70-200. I just picked up a used F mount VRII version, so I won't be buying right away, but I'm really curious about the size and performance.

ggbutcher said:

Yes, 70-200. I'm on vacation right now, and have had numerous situations where a long telephoto would have been helpful. I have a shot of a pair of a brightly-colored Hawaiian birds, but I had to crop horrendously to get a decent composition...

mhedges said:

Well a 70-200 2.8 wouldn't be my first choice for vacation pics anyway. Just too big. Do you have the 70-300 AF-P? It's a great lens.

Yes, after a lot of thinking, bear-of-little-brain here as decided to procure just that lens. nikonusa has refurbs for a little north of $500US.

Edit: fix quoting

Symphotic

24 mm f/1.8 S is in stores in Japan today:
https://www.nikon-image.com/products/nikkor/zmount/nikkor_z_24mm_f18_s/