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D600 Dust/Oil/Lubricant Issue discussion/Discontinuation and price reductions

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    I wrote on this topic what happend with my D600.
    I know it is just one copy.

    The problem in my case is, that I cannot see the difference between dust and oil spots on a test shot, I only know what I Always did with my D70, D200 and D300 according to dust. When I use my blower a couple of times and the spots are gone in my opinion it is dust, no oil.

    I make photo's and sometimes I make a couple of test shots to look at the dust on my sensor.

    After the replacement of the shutter on my D600, there were no spots on the sensor and on the test shots with 100 ISO f/16 and f/22 after 110 shots, still no dust, I did not changed the lens, so if the problem was still there, I should have seen them as I read in other messages.

    Yesterday I made about 300 shots and test shots at the end. I changed my lenses 4 times, that is why I bought a DSLR in the first place. On the first test shot there were a couple of little spots, these spots were gone after I used my Giotto blower on it, the same as I Always did with the D70, D200 and D300.

    So I think we must be sure that the spots after the shutter replacement are definitely OIL, because if the spots are DUST, there is no problem in my opinion.
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  • SatoSato Posts: 50Member
    edited March 2013

    So I think we must be sure that the spots after the shutter replacement are definitely OIL, because if the spots are DUST, there is no problem in my opinion.
    You right about that.
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  • MikeGunterMikeGunter Posts: 543Member
    I think care should be taken when talking about what problems are in the camera it's what ever 'it' is, something that is very bad and 'it is' unusual and 'it' needs to be fixed and addressed.

    The camera is a $2000 US$ camera, not a 50 cent toy, for god's sake, unless it's stain on a dying former industry leader...

    Pity.

    My best,

    Mike
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    I wonder how many of the 60% have looked for them?
    Always learning.
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  • donaldejosedonaldejose Posts: 3,860Member
    Well, they answered the survey so they must be somewhat aware of the issue but they many have not looked correctly and may have therefore missed small spots.
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  • MikeGunterMikeGunter Posts: 543Member
    It's a good bet that fewer than 60% of photos are taken at f-stops smaller than f5.6.

    That throws the odds in favor of noticing dust/oil/crap casually in long's way...

    OTH, if you were to ask micro photo takers only, I bet the respondents would be 100%.

    It depends upon who you ask.

    My best,

    Mike
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  • MikeGunterMikeGunter Posts: 543Member
    To be totally fair, if everyone were to stop down and take a look, there is some dust spots (I'm guessing) that need to be blown away - a few anyway, on all sensors.

    Just not as many as the dang D600's which have some crappy defect.

    And I do agree that we need to learn to clean the darn things. I have my cleaning kit coming in now.

    My best,

    Mike
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  • FrederickoFredericko Posts: 22Member
    Hi All,

    I havent heard anything from this forum for ~ 7 days now. Has this problem finally been resolved? I guess nobody had a problem anymore, am iI correct to assume that? I would love to hear any update from you Ton since you were the person who had his camera fixed and didnt see any spots after the shutter was replaced. Is this finally a good sign that we can enjoy a spot free D600?

    Thanks
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  • donaldejosedonaldejose Posts: 3,860Member
    Sorry, I don't think you will ever have "spot free" DSLRs anymore. I think they all will need sensor cleaning at times. Just how often they will need sensor cleaning is the issue. The D600 has needed an above average number of cleanings. Over time it will fall to average; but not to "spot free."
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  • MikeGunterMikeGunter Posts: 543Member
    Hi Donaldejose,

    Don't you mean you are hoping and assuming it will fall to average - correct?

    My best,

    Mike
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  • donaldejosedonaldejose Posts: 3,860Member
    Correct. But I think it will because I think the source of the dust and oil spots are internal so as soon as they are all cleaned out, no more than average outside intrusion will occur.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    @ Fredericko

    Keep in mind that you read only my findings from my D600, just one copy. I want to read more of these (simple) observations on this topic. My findings only, proofs nothing.

    After the so called - repair - which was, cleaning the sensor and replacement of the shutter, I made my third test shot after about 600 photo's with ISO 100 af F/22. I changed my lenses a couple of times. There were a couple of spots on my sensor, with my Giotto blower most were gone, the same as I Always did with my D70, D200 and D300. My photo counter is now 3036.
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    So are you saying yours is cured now Ton?
    Always learning.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    Don't know yet, maybe the shutter is not the only "oil spot" source. Till now nobody officially confirmed that the shutter replacement is the solution, that is the frustrating part, I only do what I can do at the moment and I'am open for any suggestion.

    I only want to know for sure if new spots on my sensor are OIL spots and come from inside the camera. I cannot see the difference between oil and dust, because I don't have the equipment for that, so if I get new spots remaining on the same place in different test shots, which I cannot blow away, I have to know if these are dust or oil out of the camera and I try to find out then.

    This is not the case at this moment. For now I dont't worry, make photo's, do the things I Always did, making test shots form time to time and let my sensor cleaned from time to time, which was about twice a year, sometimes one time more due to very, very dusty environments I was in.

    Oh, my first test shot after the "repair" was nbr 2231 and my last test shot nbr 3032, so it is 800 shots now.
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  • MsmotoMsmoto Posts: 5,398Moderator
    I think the "oil" spots are more symmetrical and look more like doughnuts.
    Msmoto, mod
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  • donaldejosedonaldejose Posts: 3,860Member
    I felt I could tell the difference also. The darker black and more irregular spots seemed to be particles.

    There there were more gray and more rounded spots that seemed to be from a more fluid substance, oil.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    OK, if so, I still cannot say what is what, I looked at my former test shots and after that. this is what I did 10 minutes ago.

    Took a test shot, the sensor is clean, then I took the lens off and collected dust by walking through the house, and made a second test shot. I saw a lot gray rounded spots, no way to see if it is a more fluid substance or not, cleaned it with the Giotto. Made a third test shot, there were 3 gray rounded spots left, but with a couple of firm Giotto blows they were gone on the fourth test shot, my sensor is clean again. I also saw these kind of spots on my D70, D200 and D300, so I still don't know what is oil, meaning - sticky - oil and particals coming from inside the camera.

    There is no dust free DSLR, never was in any brand. The spots Mart356 had on his D800e that is evil, totally wrong and a big problem. I am trying to find what is "normal" dust and what is not and the test I just did says something for my camera. Still in for any suggestion, but all the D600 owners on this forum can do these things also, the only thing you need is a Giotto blower and you know something.

    Further, if anybody with a D600 with a clean sensor, don't switch the lens and has spots after say 200 shots, then we know that is coming from the camera. I did this with the first 110 shots and my sensor was still clean.

    But what is the use that you know from just 1 camera (mine), we need more info from more D600 camera owners.
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  • SatoSato Posts: 50Member
    Well as the Nikon NL rep said that he would pass on my details and serial number to the NSP and they would contact me when they had a fix, I had been awaiting an email or call but nothing has happened so far so I'll contact them myself and keep you all updated on what happens next.

    I'll repeat myself in saying that altough my D600 has a dirty sensor (dust mostly and I need a more potent air blower so I'll order the biggest Giotto's has to offer. (AA1900) Using a rather small one meant for something else right now.) it doesn't affect my pictures too much and spot removal isn't needed for most of them.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    First thing you must do is to mark it, with how far you can go into the camera without hitting the sensor to prevent other problems. :)
    Those who say it can't be done, should not interrupt those doing it!
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  • proudgeekproudgeek Posts: 1,422Member
    Ton, you're the only guy I've ever met who puts dust on his sensor on purpose. We thank you for your dedication. :)
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  • spraynprayspraynpray Posts: 6,545Moderator
    +1 :O
    Always learning.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited March 2013
    Just want to know, totally nothing to do with dedication and it is not that hard. I don't spray oil on the sensor.

    Everybody is afraid of dust on the sensor, dust is not the problem (only in this case), The problem is oil and dirt from INSIDE the camera. You have to know the difference, only then you know IF something is wrong with your camera.

    I know now that I read a lot of messages on this subject which were wrong.

    Look, johnnk wrote that he made a timelaps from his first 120 shots and saw the spots grow on every shot. This is information. We need this kind of info from users after the - repair - and new bought D600.
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  • mihaiilemihaiile Posts: 2Member
    edited March 2013
    Just to keep people informed, I got this D600 in Germany at the beginning of March and half a month later and after less than 1000 shots I can confirm that the top left part of my pictures are full with spots and some random ones towards the centre of the image. Now I knew the dust problems right after I got the camera and did not bother to do test shots or something when I unpacked. But yesterday after taking some outdoor shots with the sun finally free from the clouds I could easily notice on half of my shots all those spots at between f/4 and f/9. All I have is a 50mm f/1.8 lens for now, so I did not changed lenses all the time. Today I am going back to the store to ask for assistance since I have no cleaning equipment. The camera has a serial number of 602XXXX. I do not think this is normal and hope Nikon fixes this issue at least after the cleaning/repair but I love the camera and I think I would still buy it again.

    UPDATE 18.03.2013:
    I just leaved the camera at Mediamarkt, the store where I got it from, and they will be sending it to Munich Service centre, but they say it's going to take them a little more than 1 week until I receive it back so means I will not have the camera for the next weekend grrr... At least I hope it will come back as it should have come directly from the factory, free of dust/oil problems.
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  • JJPhotosJJPhotos Posts: 47Member
    Hello all,

    My D600 has gone back to Nikon UK today. After around 9000 shots over six months and three sensor swab sessions at about 1000 shots, 4000 shots and then 8000 shots my camera is still chucking oil onto the sensor. I'll keep you posted on progress but I'm hoping I don't get fobbed off with a "we've cleaned it and it'll all be fine now" response.

    JJN
    JJN
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  • FrederickoFredericko Posts: 22Member
    Hi All,

    I just received my camera back from nikon after 2 weeks, The first thing I did was to check the sensor and after a few clicks sensor is clean. No spots at all, I'm praying to God it will remain that way and that they already found a solution for this problem. Im just bummed that when I sent the camera the shutter was 1280 and when I checked it after receiving it today its now at 1918... they used more than 600 shutters to check i guess :(
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