Will there Be a Professional DX Body From Nikon?

retread

High frame rate and high ISO are nice but I will give some of it up for pixel count. Optimize and don't go to either extreme. The question then becomes how many pixels are too many?

haroldp

There can never be too many pixels, but if they require a compromises in frame rate or noise, then a balance of trade offs based on need should be done.

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snakebunk

More nonsense......As my thinking is not always in line with reality, I am wondering if the new D5, with lots of advances, potentially, will now allow a pro DX body which will perform about like the current D4 or D4s....mmmmm??? This could be interesting, and besides, continues the nonsense.... :-))

That's my thinking to. The D5 is not my cup of tea, but I hope it gives room for higher fps in other cameras.

Andrewz

New rumors

http://www.inferse.com/35000/nikon-d400-successor-nikon-d300s-reportedly-launch-september/

sevencrossing

I have always felt there will never be a true Pro Dx body, due to the lack of DX wide angle primes
but with the AF-S NIKKOR 200-500mm f/5.6E ED VR lens coming out
I can see a D7300 with a few more fps

spraynpray

@sevencrossing: Unfortunately for you I have a long memory so I am looking forward to seeing an image of you eating your hat

DEE FOUR HUNDRED - DEE FOUR HUNDRED - DEE FOUR HUNDRED ! LOL!

sevencrossing

I am not going to eat my hat just because Nikon call the D7300 a D400
I will eat when, I sell my D800 and you sell your D750 because the D400 is better and cheaper than ether of them

spraynpray

AHA! I knew you would start redefining the rules when it got close! :-) Nobody ever said any DX will be better than an equivalent (same age) FX, you said that the D300s replacement (which was never better than a D3 or D700) would never be made.

Ketchup or brown sauce? )

sevencrossing

AHA! I knew you would start redefining the rules

It just has to be fit for purpose
I consider both the D800 and D750 fit for professional use
If a D400 could not match these two I cannot see how it can be described as a profession camera
The question is Will there Be a Professional DX Body From Nikon
not will Nikon make a camera called the D400

spraynpray

AHA! I knew you would start redefining the rules

It just has to be fit for purpose
I consider both the D800 and D750 fit for professional use
If a D400 could not match these two I cannot see how it can be described as a profession camera
The question is Will there Be a Professional DX Body From Nikon
not will Nikon make a camera called the D400

I totally agree: The D400 (or whatever number it is called) will be as fit to be called a pro camera as the D800 is. It should be that just as much as the D300 and D300s were fit to be called pro DX cameras alongside the D700 and D3 FX's.

snakebunk

I totally agree: The D400 (or whatever number it is called) will be as fit to be called a pro camera as the D800 is. It should be that just as much as the D300 and D300s were fit to be called pro DX cameras alongside the D700 and D3 FX's.

Yes, it should be on level with the D810 to be called a pro dx camera. I am thinking cf cards, build quality, auto focus, layout and accessories. I believe there is still a market but it must be great, I think 10 fps is a minimum.

spraynpray

10fps @ 24mp? @-)

WestEndFoto

Maybe the D5 might have that throughput. That would be quite a D7100 upgrade. Actually, it would be a brand new camera with a brand new shutter mechanism.

spraynpray

..and a brand new processor?

sevencrossing

and incorporating this

http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2015/07/28/intel-and-micron-produce-breakthrough-memory-technology

WestEndFoto

Moore's law has just been given a few more years to run.

spraynpray

Moore's law has just been given a few more years to run.

And so it will always be.

Ironheart

Moore's law has just been given a few more years to run.

Meh. You always get this one wrong west end ;-) Moore's law refers to doubling the transistor count on a processor every two years. This is based upon die shrink and smaller and smaller features on the die. This 3D Xpoint technology, while impressive, is not transistor based and is limited to memory storage, not compute power, as per Moore's law. Nonetheless, it is cool B-)

And so it will always be.

Moore himself recently said that his eponymous law will not survive another decade. It has to do with quantum tunneling if you want to dig further.
Moore, Gordon (March 30, 2015). Gordon Moore: The Man Whose Name Means Progress, The visionary engineer reflects on 50 years of Moore’s Law. IEEE Spectrum. Interview with Rachel Courtland. Special Report: 50 Years of Moore's Law:
"We won’t have the rate of progress that we've had over the last few decades. I think that’s inevitable with any technology; it eventually saturates out. I guess I see Moore’s law dying here in the next decade or so, but that’s not surprising."

snakebunk

Moore's law has been surprisingly accurate, I think the best bet is that it will continue. Once we get general AI it may be a joke. We don't know much about the future but I am sure we will have 24 mp and 10 fps before the evolution ends.

PB_PM

Again Moore's law has nothing to do with photographic sensors or frames per second. Moore's law only refers to pure processing power that comes from the shrinking of transistors. Transistors are getting so small that soon there won't be any way to make them smaller without compromising data integrity, which is why the last few generations of Intel processors have been increasingly behind their scheduled release time frames. The only way to get more powerful processors beyond that point would be to transition to a non-transistor based processor, which for general use is a long way off.

AI also has nothing to do with Moore's Law BTW. When it comes to AI, be careful about what you wish for, you might just find yourself out of work.

snakebunk

I don't wish for AI, I think it will be dangerous. I am trying to say that we don't know much about the future of technology.

So strange when you get a minus one. I don't understand the point.

WestEndFoto

Moore's law has just been given a few more years to run.

Meh. You always get this one wrong west end ;-) Moore's law refers to doubling the transistor count on a processor every two years. This is based upon die shrink and smaller and smaller features on the die. This 3D Xpoint technology, while impressive, is not transistor based and is limited to memory storage, not compute power, as per Moore's law. Nonetheless, it is cool B-)

And so it will always be.

Moore himself recently said that his eponymous law will not survive another decade. It has to do with quantum tunneling if you want to dig further.
Moore, Gordon (March 30, 2015). Gordon Moore: The Man Whose Name Means Progress, The visionary engineer reflects on 50 years of Moore’s Law. IEEE Spectrum. Interview with Rachel Courtland. Special Report: 50 Years of Moore's Law:
"We won’t have the rate of progress that we've had over the last few decades. I think that’s inevitable with any technology; it eventually saturates out. I guess I see Moore’s law dying here in the next decade or so, but that’s not surprising."

I know I do and I still stand by my statement.

WTF you say?

I quote from the Wikipedia article on Moore's Law:

The period is often quoted as 18 months because of Intel executive David House, who predicted that chip performance would double every 18 months (being a combination of the effect of more transistors and their being faster).

Hmm...this is not quite what Gordon Moore said. But it does capture the flavour of what he said. Frankly, who cares if computer speed is doubling every two years because the number of transistors is doubling or their speed is doubling. It essentially means the same thing in the end.

Now consider the last bullet of Some of the new directions in research that may allow Moore's law to continue are:
in the Wikipedia article.

namely:

In 2015, Intel and Micron announced 3D XPoint,[74] a non-volatile memory claimed to be 1,000 times faster, 1,000 times higher endurance and similar in density compared to NAND. Production is scheduled in 2016.

So here is the Wikipedia article stating that Moore's law will continue for the same reason that I did and you guys are disputing.

Technically you are correct Ironheart. Moore's law defined in its pure form is about transistors, but transistors are not really the point. Moore's law is really an explanation about why something that matters is occurring. And what matters is that computers are getting faster and cheaper.

WestEndFoto

Again Moore's law has nothing to do with photographic sensors or frames per second. Moore's law only refers to pure processing power that comes from the shrinking of transistors. Transistors are getting so small that soon there won't be any way to make them smaller without compromising data integrity, which is why the last few generations of Intel processors have been increasingly behind their scheduled release time frames. The only way to get more powerful processors beyond that point would be to transition to a non-transistor based processor, which for general use is a long way off.

OK, so here is a corollary of your argument:

Since Moore's Law has nothing to do with photographic sensors, then had Moore's law not occurred or had occurred at a much slower pace, then the abilities of the sensors in Nikon cameras and the prices charged for Nikon cameras would be no different than they are today.

Hmm......

WestEndFoto

That all being said, it is becoming harder and harder to increase computing performance and whatever measure you decide to use is becoming slower.

I cannot disagree with that.

spraynpray

That all being said, it is becoming harder and harder to increase computing performance and whatever measure you decide to use is becoming slower.

I cannot disagree with that.

Surely if you look back you can see changes in technology that have resulted in upcoming brick walls no longer being relevant. What I mean is, if a feature of an existing technology causes a bottle-neck to development, a more capable solution is discovered. Like the swap from germanium to silicon etc.