D5 -- What will it take to make you upgrade from a D3s, D4, or D4s to a D5?

MaxBerlin

I've seen more than 1 person make this comment - but 'no sale'. I am tired of the compromised camera.

Nikon needs to make more user friendly cameras. It took me less than a few hours to figure out Sony's relation between EV, flash compensation and real world use.

I've spent 6 months with the Nikon and still have no idea how to get my flashes to operate in relation to the EV settings in the camera.

Maybe there's a simple answer and maybe I had it at one point, but change or accidentally move one setting on the camera or flash and you're in a deep wormhole.

Snowleopard

For a camera of claiming to be the flagship in Nikon's lineup, I would expect 24mp, the better ISO performance, 12+ frames per second, and 120fps 4k video.

I just got a D810 and want to see what the D900 will be like or wait another generation or 2.

NSXTypeR

If Nikon built a proper D300s replacement, I'd perhaps consider buying a D5.

framer

Not to frankenthread this but I'm way passed ever wanting any DX camera. A used D3s is your D300s replacement.

framer

rmp

It has been so long since I bought a new toy, the D5 is beginning to sound interesting. What does the phrase "high native ISO of 102,400" mean in actual use? What will "153 auto focus points" mean in use?

Msmoto

"Native ISO" suggest the sensor can actually record images at that effective ISO without loss of resolution. The "extended" ISO is accomplished via software manipulation of the "native ISO" information, thus adding more noise and potentially loosing resolution.

If this is how Nikon is defining this, the D5 will have 3 stops more low light capabilities than the D4.

If one has a D4, for example, shoots at ISO 12,800, then the same scene at ISO 25,600, one notices a significant increase in noise and reduction in resolution, whereas in a D5, the difference between 12,800 ISO and 25,600 ISO should not be nearly as much.

FreezeAction

The pro body I'd be upgrading from is a Canon 1D MII that is gathering dust.
1. Only if there is a paying venue for it. Most of what I do is in the realm now of the D810.
2. The IQ at 25k +ISO has to be clean at 11x14 prints.
3.16/20 MP is OK.
4. 11 FPS or more OK.
5. It must be proven to be as rugged as the old 1D MII weather wise. ie, able to shoot in a pouring rain.
6. Focusing system with Nikon glass has to be ultra fast and accurate.
7. The deal breaker is the IQ at high ISO's.
8. It might be a good time to buy a D4s at a reduced price.

PB_PM

I cannot say I've ever seen the high Dx bodies drop in price significantly. The bodies usually disappear before the new model ships. Thus they get sold at normal price, since the new models always come with a price hike.

donaldejose

I am trying to talk someone into buying one for me. So if that works out it won't take anything for me upgrade to a D5!

Rx4Photo

I just got a D810 and want to see what the D900 will be like or wait another generation or 2.

That's my stance right now. I successfully convinced myself to not buy a D810, I'm waiting to see what the D900 will bring. I'm also looking deeper into the full frame mirrorless world so I'm also waiting to see what the next upgrade to the Sony A7r ii will bring. Willing to wait into 2017 for both of these.

donaldejose

How long are you willing to wait for a D400? LOL! Personally, I think the D5 is going to be a very significant upgrade in many ways.

Pavvyben

If that rumour spec turns out to be true, I would instantly buy the Nikon D5 (owning a D4s at the moment) without any hesitation.

For me, that really is a next generation camera (again if the specs are true), and if Nikon have managed to make significant advances in noise control, then it'll just be a huge game changer for indoor sports.

I'll tell you one thing that is for certain. IF that spec is true, the Nikon D5 will cost an absolute fortune. As someone who owns the Nikon AF-S 400mm F2.8E FL ED VR lens, which is a masterpiece - it also wasn't cheap and produced a pretty substantial price hike over the previous model.

Nikon need to pull out all the stops with this model, and if so, I can see tons of people upgrading from D3s, D4, D4s (and any that still have D3's!)

It'll also look promising for the next generation D810 - which will be another camera on my list!

autofocus

I have a D4 and pulled it off the shelf to shoot an event. I had forgotten how nice it is to shoot the beast. I can't describe the feel it imparts to the photos as well. I think I like the look better than my D810. That said, I am seriously considering the D5 and carrying the two single digit cameras more often.

Msmoto

@autofocus

Interesting.... I see a difference between my D800E and D4, but find the D800E gives a special quality in portraits I do not see in the D4. Both, razor sharp, but with more MP I see something in the subtle variations of color, tone, but difficult to describe.

I do a lot of post processing, and it may be I am using the data from the D800E to a greater extent than the D4, in any case, I prefer the "look" of the D800E.

Our personal preferences are most interesting and in action shots I suspect the D4 is more to my liking.

crizman

What would it take? Approximately $7000 dollars

JerryBurnell

The 20MP sensor is a real disappointment MP wise. It seems to be geared to an 8 1/2 X 11 magazine or internet use for which it is, of course, is already over kill. I have had the money set back to upgrade from my D3X for about four years. I am seventy and this will probably be the last upgrade that I do if at all now. Nikon still hasn't and will l need me to convince me that this 20MP sensor is significantly better quality (dynamic range, ISO-color range, focus speed, continuous shooting speed etc.) to over ride the 24mp sensor that I already have for printing 24X36 in. photos that I favor. if it had been a 24-36MP it would have been a slam dunk. I like to shoot from nature scenics to birds in flight, people to still lives. I do not want to need two cameras either. I just received "Photographer of the year" for our city of about 400,000 using the D3X and all Nikkor lenses, so it is still a no upgrade at this point.

framer

What I'm not seeing is built in WIFI, NFC or Bluetooth that can be used with a smart phone. I don't want the WT-6. That's the one thing that will get me to upgrade.

framer

PB_PM

Sadly add-ons are where Nikon makes a lot of money on high end products, don't expect them to be built in,. Doing so would require dropping the full magnesium alloy body - which I'm sure many pros would complain about - since the metal would block the wifi/bluetooth signals.

spraynpray

@PB_PM - does the 7D2 have a full mag body? It has Wi-Fi.

framer

I have a v4 Bluetooth adapter that plugs into a USB port that sticks out about 1/8 inch. I'm sure an external antenna bump could be added.

framer

dpidude

Everything I see about the D5 has me wanting to upgrade from my D3s. I am not a pro, just capture whatever strikes me. All my life I have wanted a high end Nikon and got it. I am blessed to have the means to be able to afford it but my fear is that the D5 will be in the $7k range. That range seems like stupid money for a non-pro even though I can afford it; still have some common sense inside of me from growing up without means. Do any of you see this possibly pushing enthusiasts out?

Photobug

Everything I see about the D5 has me wanting to upgrade from my D3s. I am not a pro, just capture whatever strikes me. All my life I have wanted a high end Nikon and got it. I am blessed to have the means to be able to afford it but my fear is that the D5 will be in the $7k range. That range seems like stupid money for a non-pro even though I can afford it; still have some common sense inside of me from growing up without means. Do any of you see this possibly pushing enthusiasts out?

If it's at that $7K price range it will push the advanced amateur with too much money to the D3s and D4. There will always be a demand for the D4 by Bird photographers. Regardless of the price of the D5, the demand for the D4 will be high.

manhattanboy

@PB_PM - does the 7D2 have a full mag body? It has Wi-Fi.

The 7D2 does NOT have wifi unfortunately.

I just got a D810 and want to see what the D900 will be like or wait another generation or 2.

That's my stance right now. I successfully convinced myself to not buy a D810, I'm waiting to see what the D900 will bring. I'm also looking deeper into the full frame mirrorless world so I'm also waiting to see what the next upgrade to the Sony A7r ii will bring. Willing to wait into 2017 for both of these.

My next camera after the 810 is likely to be mirrorless. The things I enjoy the most such as quiet shutter and amazing image quality are already in mirrorless cameras. In a few years time they will have finally nailed the remaining viewfinder issues.

kyoshinikon

Internal Wifi would definitely make me look harder. In camera starring would probably be the thing that makes me go for it tho...

Snowleopard

1) Internal Wifi AC or AD
2) 16 bit raw
3) 1:1 ratio on pixel count for 24x36 inch prints (so 75-120mp)
4) 20 FPS in still mode
5) 8k raw video
6) Noiseless ISO's up to and including ISO 5,120,000
7) 256 cross type focus points
8) 10 Gigabit Eithernet
9) 2 XLR ports
10) Display port instead of HDMI
11) USB 3.1
12) Waist level view finder option.