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Samko said:It A good adapter Fmount with screw AF for 50$.
It A good adapter Fmount with screw AF for 50$.
Samko said:Nikon need to take spme kind of a hit before they can move farward. In this case let it be economical hit by offering cheap adapter for old glass, in that sense no nikon shooter would switch brand. Canon took the hit long time ago
Nikon need to take spme kind of a hit before they can move farward. In this case let it be economical hit by offering cheap adapter for old glass, in that sense no nikon shooter would switch brand. Canon took the hit long time ago
Samko said:@mhedges .That way we can use our lenses until all of them are replaced with the new mount.
@mhedges .That way we can use our lenses until all of them are replaced with the new mount.
mhedges said:It's a fine line. If you obsolete everything then you lose your base. If you make everything 100% compatible you lose lens sales.
It's a fine line. If you obsolete everything then you lose your base. If you make everything 100% compatible you lose lens sales.
vtc2002 said: mhedges said:It's a fine line. If you obsolete everything then you lose your base. If you make everything 100% compatible you lose lens sales.
I'm not sure Nikon would lose it base. If you abandon Nikon because your F mounts lens does not work on their mirrorless camera and move to a new brand the costs will be basically the same as if you stay with Nikon and buy the new lens mount. I would rather Nikon deliver a killer mirrorless camera than deliver a crippled camera that allows me to use my F mount lens. The option of making everything 100% compatible is a very high risk strategy for Nikon, as they are trying to survive off of the past rather than creating a path for the future.
WestEndFoto said:Yes, but if Nikon reduces innovation and development on the f=mount, I will punish Nikon for impacting my investment by moving to Canon or somebody else other than Nikon.
Yes, but if Nikon reduces innovation and development on the f=mount, I will punish Nikon for impacting my investment by moving to Canon or somebody else other than Nikon.
I haven't had time to read much of the earlier posts, but it's a very big concern. For me, if I'm going to be juggling lenses, downsizing to Micro 4/3 isn't going to be attractive to me, even if I'm going to have much more portable lenses because it's still a big investment and I'll still have to swap lenses, even if they are tiny lenses. I'd rather Nikon make something like a RX100... oh wait, that was canceled.
Darn it Nikon why can't you just make the products we want.
1. D6 to be full body mirrorless with battery grip (Dx field )
2. A full frame mirrorless without the grip but still “big” ( d8xx field )
3. A dx mirrorless without grip but still “big” ( D500 field )
A good adapter Fmount with screw AF for 50$.
Battery life of 1000 photos minimum.
The most important, that it is a good simpel pure photo tool. I hope they dont fill it with all kind of wifi bluetooth editing sharing software.
To quote Kylo Ren - Nikon needs to let the past die. At least to a certain extent. Spend effort on moving forward instead of trying to accommodate all of their legacy products.
Canon took the hit long time ago
There is the prescient for backward compatibility without soaking the loyal customers—"Enlightened Self-interest". In other words, long term good business sense.
Personally I would say ship it with an adapter that allows full functionality with motorized AF lenses, and MF on screw drive lenses. That would be good enough for me.
Yes, and I belive a lot of ppl went away from canon in the first period. It was a big risk. Nikon can minimize that risk by offering a adapter cheap or free with a new mirrorless body. That way we can use our lenses until all of them are replaced with the new mount.
I don't see how you could punish Nikon by moving to Canon. They have already have your money for the equipment you have purchased. They will have no clue that you have moved to Canon. You are only punishing yourself by moving to a inferior (at least at this time) system and the expense of selling your Nikon equipment and purchasing new. If they have a great mirrorless camera they will gain a new user to replace you.
If Nikon develops a adapter for their mirrorless camera it will be for their E series lens, at least initially and possibly the G series at some point. I am heavily invested in the E series. I believe it will take most companies (including Nikon) to develop a mirrorless camera that will be able to produce tilt and shift, macro, telephoto and super telephoto lens and they will continue to develop the DSLR cameras until the mirrorless technology catches up.
@spraynpray You are right. I am not sure why though. I went with Nikon initially because had the best cameras and lens and I use Nikon today because they have the best camera and lens. I do not see a better option for a FF camera to replace the D850. I do not think Nikon will abandon their DSLR line. I think there maybe a lull in the DSLR line while they are working on the mirriorless line. I see a similarity to the way they came out with the D500. A lot of people left because of the delay in releasing a replacement for the D300. A lot of those people came back and Nikon sold a lot to new customers.
Two ways to use F mount lenses with a new Nikon mirrorless full frame / APS-C system
A good adapter will preserve the usefulness of F-mount lenses until such a time that newer and better native mount lenses are available. Unless Nikon has been holding off release of the mirror less camera because they were developing a ton of native mount lenses, not having an adaptor that functions at least as well as last generation (2012-2014 model) DSLRs would would insane.
Like I've probably said too many times already, I would be shocked if they supported screw drive AF. It makes no sense to put a motor etc. in the camera body because you would be making all users pay for a feature that many will not use. Also it would take up space. And businesswise Nikon would want people to move away from these old lenses and buy new ones.
If Nikon comes out with a new mount I really hope they make it open to third party lenses. I think it may be best business wise for both Nikon and me.
I think it would be cool if the new mount supported slightly larger sensors and that we would see cameras similar to Hasselblad X1D. It would also work nicely with F mount lenses since it gives you more room to crop for landscape or portrait in post. But my guess is that the cameras will be full frame Sony style.
I have a feeling that the rumored 400-600 mm pf lenses will be for the new mount.
Just some thoughts and guesses...
Look where we are now with the F mount Nikon has some lens that are stellar on the D850 and many that fall short. I tend to agree with Thom Hogan on his lens recommendation for the D850 in that if you are investing in a 45mp camera why would you place a lens on it that is not going to maximize the resolution of the sensor. (I struggle with his recommendations in that a good/great photo is determined by more characteristics than technical merits but from a technical point of view his recommendation are valid.) If you want to get the best results out of the D850 some of your old lens will need to be updated. Nikon has stated that their mirrorless camera will be high end cameras, why compromise the quality of the camera by placing a inferior lens on it. I know this will draw some criticism and comments. I struggle with it too.
As @snakebunk said just some thoughts and guesses...
So as an example, if Nikon replaces Native f- mount DSLRs with something that requires an adapter and the performance of my, say 400mm 2.8E declines as a result, then my next purchase will not be Nikon regardless of how well it performs.
It is really very simple:
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.