D810, All Discussions, Questions

Snowleopard

Didn't recognize the "hate"-bit.

The "hate" but is about the softness... I can soften photo's after the fact if I need to, I was looking for tack or razer sharp images from 36mp; hence the reference that the images look more like traditional film photo's to some level than digital images.

I don't know how they measure "sharpness", or the ability to "resolve detail".

nek4life

Check your tech

Didn't recognize the "hate"-bit.

The "hate" but is about the softness... I can soften photo's after the fact if I need to, I was looking for tack or razer sharp images from 36mp; hence the reference that the images look more like traditional film photo's to some level than digital images.

I don't know how they measure "sharpness", or the ability to "resolve detail".

Going from a 12MP to a 36MP you should check your technique. I can shoot the D810 a little looser than when I had a D800, but to get the best results I try to really focus on being steady before actuating the shutter. Also if you're using auto ISO you can bump the minimum shutter up a bit. It's in the shooting menu. ISO Sensitivity Settings > Minimum Shutter Speed > AUTO, then I set the setting to +1 faster. That seems to help as well. If you have a really sturdy tripod see if you can get much sharper results using that instead, then you'll know for sure it's your shooting technique.

manhattanboy

Going from a 12MP to a 36MP you should check your technique. I can shoot the D810 a little looser than when I had a D800, but to get the best results I try to really focus on being steady before actuating the shutter. Also if you're using auto ISO you can bump the minimum shutter up a bit. It's in the shooting menu. ISO Sensitivity Settings > Minimum Shutter Speed > AUTO, then I set the setting to +1 faster. That seems to help as well. If you have a really sturdy tripod see if you can get much sharper results using that instead, then you'll know for sure it's your shooting technique.

The only other thing to softness is the lens sharpness. I have a bunch of lenses that I love, but the 810 is like a troublemaker making the good girls seem bad.

funtagraph

@nek4life I just like to add to your and @manhattanboy's excellent points if the D810 is shot without AF micro-adjusted lenses, back focus on stage people makes them also looking blurred. And the "sturdy tripod" idea is great, only trouble is, the D810 will show not much respect to tripods which are less than 100% perfect. At least not, when shot without mirror-up.

sevencrossing

the D810 will show not much respect to tripods

I would guess your mates in the pit, will not be too impressed either

@Snowleopard are getting "the softness" with all you lenes eg the 60mm f/2.8
Micro-NIKKOR AF-D in bright daylight ?

Snowleopard

I haven't shot much with the 60mm f/2.8 Micro-NIKKOR AF-D so far. I have been using the 105vr most of the time with the D810

kyoshinikon

Completely unrelated, Can you star/rate images on the D810?... I need a new body and while I want and "need" the D4s I cant afford it due to a car crash so I may nab a D810 instead tomorrow.

Ironheart

Can you rate images in a D4s? I've only seen it on the Nikon 1 series...

rmp

On a scale of 1 to 5 stars, where a 5-star camera does not exist -- yet, I rate the D810 and D4 at 4 stars.
To get to 5 stars, IMHO, a camera would need the resolution and dynamic range of the D810, the ISO performance of the D4 and the weight of the V3. Yes, I know the laws of physics makes my 5-star camera impossible -- today. Tomorrow? That's another question: new sensors, new technology, new engineers, who knows what tomorrow brings.

spraynpray

@rmp: Read kyoshinikon's post again, it is about rating images not cameras.

Msmoto

In a week, I will be shooting motorcycles with 800mm....and I will be using a D800E and D4, attempting to determine, or at least have a comparison in what the image looks like when cropped down to close to DX. This is about what happens at 250 feet (76m) the closest distance I can obtain without credentials.

So, I will have some images, possibly useful for kyoshi's benefit, with the primary issue IMO of the advantage of 10 FPS vs about 4 FPS. My prediction is, if I can time my exposures with the bike hitting the apex, and the D800E will focus adequately (400mm f/2.8 + TC-20EIII) using predictive focus tracking, then the D800E images should be of a noticeable better quality than the D4. And, as both are available used or refurbished at much lower cost than a new D810, the info may be of use to the discussion.

FYI, the bikes will be coming toward me at between 45 and 100 mph (72 - 161 kph). Also, FYI, from the outside of turn 8, Road America, Elkhart Lake, WI, USA.

Snowleopard

I have had the chance to shoot my 60mm macro's with the D810 now and I think I am understanding what is happening a little better, but it doesn't make sense.....

The sensor in the D810 and the D700 are both full frame, but they are slightly different sizes by a few mm. but that should not affect how the DOF from the same lens on both full frame bodies work should it? meaning, take for instance, the 60mm macro @ f/5.6 on the D700 is what I am acustom to, but on the D810 it is more sensative to showing the affects of DOF than the D700 is? I know there is the whole diffraction thing, etc. may that is it. not sure. Between the 2 bodies it just looks different. Maybe it is the extra 24mp that is playing a mind game. Not sure.

spraynpray

Are you using a zoom function like 1:1 to view these differences @snowleopard? If so, you are not zooming the two images the same amount i.e. 100% (one pixel on your sensor to one pixel on your screen) gives a completely different zoom on the two images.

danhowl

I actually have my first quibble with the D810. I've been using it frequently with the DR-5 right-angle finder. I found last week that the pressure from my eye has peeled off the backing plate that holds the eyepiece threads. I've popped it back on a few times now. Was temped to crazy-glue it in place, but I thought I would call NPS first. I have a couple of light weeks before a large advertising job, so I might send it in. I'm so invested in it that I kinda don't want to give it up for a week.

As for the relative sharpness of the D810 to any other camera, if you are not experiencing a greater level of sharpness and detail from the D810 than any other Nikon camera (apart from D800E) you should look at other areas than the camera. I even prefer the D810 files over the D800 files.

Photobug

In a week, I will be shooting motorcycles with 800mm....and I will be using a D800E and D4, attempting ...
FYI, the bikes will be coming toward me at between 45 and 100 mph (72 - 161 kph). Also, FYI, from the outside of turn 8, Road America, Elkhart Lake, WI, USA.

Darn, my wife and I would have liked to meet you at Elkhart Lake for some shooting. We have not been there since 1973. Unfortunately, family commitments will prevent us from making that 2+ hour trip to Elkhart Lake. Grand daughter's graduation and party.

Don't forget my recommendation to check out Devil's Lake, just south of Baraboo, WI and 40 minutes north of Madison off highway 12.

MaxBerlin

I just completed a comparison of A7r and D810 using the Fe55 and Otus 55 lenses. Not my favorite kind of apples to oranges testing but the Nikon smoked the Sony.

NWPhoto21

The 810a Astro has long shutter speeds such as 60, 120, 180, 240, etc. seconds. The D810 has a maximum of 30 seconds programmed in (excluding bulb of course). Can other Nikon Cameras retroactively have their shutter speeds increased through a software update or might it only be a hardware? I'd love for the Nikon D810 to have added shutter speeds of 40, 50, 60, 75, 90 120, and 180 seconds and a function where one can set the exact amount of TIME one wants for long shutter speeds. If it is just a software update please ask Nikon to add more programmed shutter speeds longer than 30 seconds.

spraynpray

If it is just a software update please ask Nikon to add more programmed shutter speeds longer than 30 seconds.

Unfortunately, nobody here holds any sway with Nikon. If only...

Ironheart

Get a Promote remote, or a camranger.

NWPhoto21

I should have been more detailed Lionhearted, but thanks for your comment. I have a remote shutter release that has a lot of timing options but it would be much nicer to have one less external object to carry around, one less set of batteries to deal with, so an internal improvement would be what I would hope for. If Nikon can have longer shutter speeds for the D810A I was wondering if it could be added in a software update to the D810.

Ironheart

In theory, yes. There is nothing different about the D810a other than the filter over the sensor. This is one reason we should all sponsor the Nikon Hacker project.
https://nikonhacker.com

MaxBerlin

Something I am just getting a grasp on this AM is the convoluted Nikon Live view scheme. Here's the problem I am seeing this AM.

AF lenses - I just let Nikon do all of the work. No problem.

Manual with LCD screen and 3x loupe - critical focus can be achieved with live view but....

Manual lens - OVF - focus confirm indicator can be reliable depending on focal length, subject distance, fstop and resulting DoF.

But when using the live view activation (that changes the lens from wide open to the selected fstop) the in OVF indicator goes away.

So critical focus with manual lenses in OVF remains hit or miss or dependent on lenses with a minimum of focus shift.

I plan to test and quantify Otus 55mm and 85mm focus shift on the D810 from 1.4 - 8.0 this week.

Snowleopard

per the comment about longer shutter speeds above..... That is one thing that is upsetting..... Any camera after the D700 should have shutter speeds from 1/16,000 of a second to 60 or 120 seconds without a remote trigger. At this point it is all controlled by software. It makes no sense at all.


This 1/4000 or 1/8000 and 30 second limit is a pain.

Ironheart

On the long end, yes, it is just software. On the short end, the cost of producing a mechanical shutter that does 1/8000 is double the cost of one that does 1/4000. The only DSLRs to have a 1/16000 were the D1and the D1h, and their shutter life was unrated.

Gjesdal

Lightroom 6.1 and D810 bug

Issue

When you open a raw image from the Nikon D810 camera into Lightroom 6.1 or Camera Raw 9.1, the color is different from images from that camera that you previous opened and assigned the Adobe Standard Color Profile.

Lightroom 6.1 and Camera Raw 9.1 ignore the Adobe Standard Color Profile from Nikon D810 raw images. Instead, they default to the next available profile in the Camera Profile pop-up menu which is Camera Flat, so your images display with unexpected color.

temporary fix until next update I presume: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/lightroom-6-1-ignores-the-nikon-d810-adobe-standard-color-profil.html