D300s Successor-D400, what and when

manhattanboy

@manhattanboy

When using superteles, the support (tripod/monopod) would be attached to the lens, not the camera body, so the mount / adapter doesn't have to be any stronger since it's not supporting the weight of the lens. The mount / adapter only has to hold the weight of the camera body, which is typically lighter with a mirrorless design anyway.

When shooting with heavy lenses I still have to pull out the camera plus lens from my bag which is unfortunately by the camera body. Even the 2.8 tele zooms are pretty heavy for a plastic ring like the ft-1 that the nikon 1 uses. I never shoot with a tripod so just hand hold the lens. While I'm not quite as ripped as Michael the maven from YouTube, I'm not that weak either.

Everyone here seems super excited about a mirrorless DX. Maybe it's my time shooting with the 1v1, but I am less excited. Check out this post from Thom:
http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/nikon-1-lessons-learned-on.html
He got great stills but action is near impossible at tele lengths (even for a career veteran like him). Not saying it can't be done, but just no where as easy if D400 were a normal dslr instead of a mirrorless.

One thing that would be unique is the option to have a square type sensor with new crop modes. They could have a normal aspect crop , a vertical crop and a further crop like the 7100 has to bring FOV to 2x. This could make the viewfinder bigger and may allow less switching to a vertical shooting orientation. That plus an improved autofocus module, upgraded exceed engine and deep buffer would make for an interesting camera IMHO.

PB_PM

If you have to pull the gear out by the camera, you have the wrong bag for a super telephoto. If you did that with a real super telephoto lens you'd likely rip the lens mount off the camera.

snakebunk

If you have to pull the gear out by the camera, you have the wrong bag for a super telephoto. If you did that with a real super telephoto lens you'd likely rip the lens mount off the camera.

I don't agree. I think you should be able to hold the camera vertically with any lense. As you can with the current system. We don't want a week mount.

PB_PM

It's simply a matter of physics, the screws holding the F-mount to the body are not invincible. The mount itself might not break, but if you lift that way, eventually you will strip the screws holding the mount in place.

spraynpray

It is weight + friction of the lens and hood dragging out too. If you have a super telephoto though, I am sure you can afford a bag...

snakebunk

Sorry, I expressed myself badly. I just got worried when I read about plastics and not being able to lift the camera vertically. I hope/think we can agree on the following.

Weak mount, plastics, breaks if you gently lift the camera vertically: No, please.
Strong mount, good bag, use the handle to hold big lenses: Yes, please.

old_photog

Gee, no discussion yet on the possible implications of the D7200 announcement, and how that may be the final death knell to the D400/9000 ? Even Thom Hogan is sounding like the D7200 may be all we ever get.

sevencrossing

Even Thom Hogan is sounding like the D7200 may be all we ever get.

He thinks we may get something in February, April, or July/August.

any one know why not March , May or June or September/ December ?

old_photog

Never mind the dates, he is sounding more pessimistic about a D400/9000 ever being put into production, for whatever that's worth. Just throwin' it out there.

sevencrossing

Never mind the dates, .

never mind the dates !!!!!
at lot of this read is about dates
will we get the D400 in the spring or the autumn ???
this year ? next year? 2016? sometime? maybe never

PB_PM

Most likely never...

old_photog

never mind the dates !!!!!
at lot of this read is about dates
will we get the D400 in the spring or the autumn ???
this year ? next year? 2016? sometime? maybe never

Okie dokie then,..... I'll take that as you have no comments regarding D7200 announcement. (:|

PB_PM

Considering that none of us work for Nikon, how could we know anything about an unreleased product?

old_photog

@PB_PM

Considering that none of us work for Nikon, how could we know anything about an unreleased product?

Since when does a photo forum based on rumor and wild-a$sed speculation let the fact that "no one works for Nikon and the product hasn't been officially announced yet" get in the way.
In fact this whole thread has been based on nothing but speculation, and yet it evolved into 76 pages. Are you telling me that after 76 pages of speculation, you can't speculate more??

PB_PM

There haven't been any rumors for several years now, so we don't have much to go on. Most of the last 70 pages have been on whether people think there will be a D400 at all, and if there is one what type of specs it needs to have for the commenter to buy said mythical camera.

Photobug

Most likely never...

Yup, will never see it. It looks like the D7100..7200..7300 will be the top of the DX line. Too bad.

WestEndBoy

The D7300 will be the best that DX will ever get, if I may offer a bold prediction.

PB_PM

Perhaps these words might be more accurate... "The D7300 will be the best that DX DSLR's will ever get..."

FreezeAction

I have no crystal ball but do think that whatever comes and when may be influenced by competition from Canon if they do release a 7D MII aimed at the actions sports shooters with a much lower price than their 1DX and how well it sells. ? is what will Nikon give us? There is a void in the market place as I see it and someone will profit from it. Someone will wake up and build a crop sensor body with a real buffer in it at 8 frames a second or more. More pixels not needed. Save the video for the D7200..... Just focus on doing action sports well...

sevencrossing

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Okie dokie then,..... I'll take that as you have no comments regarding D7200 announcement. (:|

they are on the D7200 thread

sevencrossing

FreezeAction
Just focus on doing action sports well...

Simple, get a D4s (3D-Tracking in 9 or 21 points group) and use it in crop mode
No I cant afford one ether
Yes, 50 years on, the D4s suffers from the same problem as the Nikon F, its expensive

FreezeAction

..... Just focus on doing action sports well...

simple, get a D4s (3D-Tracking in 9 or 21 points group) and use it in crop mode
No I cant afford one ether
Yes, 50 years on, the D4s suffers from the same problem as the Nikon F, its expensive

I'm holding out for a D4s rather than spend money on middle ground on a D610. Still I have no loyalty to a brand but do to models that work for me. D400 or Canon 7D MII? I'll use what works. I'd rather spend on fine glass than more in a body. I shot a flagship body for a decade and it is hard not to do it now. I don't by a piece of glass until the job is there to pay for it with. I don't buy a lens because I want it but because I need it. A D4s may just have the best ROI of any camera out there for using single shot images. For multiple shot merged images it may be hard to beat a simple D5300 on the right support system based on technical features. Based on experience of a few 100k action shots a D400 cropped sensor at 15mp shooting 15 frames a second would capture the bulk of the market. You don't need 36mp for a good sharp 5x7 or 8x10 print produced on sight. A D300s will still get the job done. IMHO glass with resolving power is the important thing now with weather sealing on it and the bodies for action sports in all kinds of weather. A D400 might and I say might make Nikon more profit selling at the $2500 level with the increase in volume it should generate. My thoughts and needs do not influence any companies marketing plans. One thing I don't like is the one size fits all approach that Canon took merging their 1D lines into one. Both action and landscape venues suffered because of that marketing decision. Again IMHO Nikon is doing a much better job of marketing with the D800 +D4 approach. A parallel approach from Nikon could be the D400 + a D610 for a lot of shooters. Each photographer has different markets in their locals. Until proven wrong I firmly believe that there is a good market for a D400 with D4 features without gutting the D4 sales. My math tells me a D400 +a D800 should cost about as much as a D4 and cover more venues. 2¢

WestEndBoy

Perhaps these words might be more accurate... "The D7300 will be the best that DX DSLR's will ever get..."

Agreed. I am getting mentally lazy.

WestEndBoy

FreezeAction
Just focus on doing action sports well...

Simple, get a D4s (3D-Tracking in 9 or 21 points group) and use it in crop mode
No I cant afford one ether
Yes, 50 years on, the D4s suffers from the same problem as the Nikon F, its expensive

That would be silly. Crop in post. If you crop in camera and miss something, it is lost forever.

snakebunk

I would be happy

FreezeAction
Just focus on doing action sports well...

Simple, get a D4s (3D-Tracking in 9 or 21 points group) and use it in crop mode
No I cant afford one ether
Yes, 50 years on, the D4s suffers from the same problem as the Nikon F, its expensive

That would be silly. Crop in post. If you crop in camera and miss something, it is lost forever.

Agreed. The advantage of the DX sensors is that they are less expensive and that they have lots of pixels on a small area (high pixel density). The advantage of FX sensors is that they are bigger (you can fit more stuff or get more light on your motive depending on how you use it). If you use the D4 in crop mode you have an expensive camera with low pixel density and a small sensor. Not a great deal.

I thought I would use my D800 in crop mode, but it turns out that I have never even tried it. I think crop mode is pretty much useless for most people.

About the D400, I don't mind if it's called D7200 or anything else. Pro build quality, large buffer, cf card slot and top specs in a DX body is all I am asking for (although I am not really asking right now). I would be happy if Nikon raised the budget for the D7200 and made it the D300s replacement.