D300s Successor-D400, what and when

Kyyo24

@Kyyo24,
Welcome to the NR forum.
Yes a few more frames a second would obviously be a marvelous thing, but think about the file sizes...
There's a whole lot of processing going on there in milliseconds.
Perhaps in the future, we will have the option to "dial in" the requirements we desire for a particular shoot or event.

Here's looking into to the distant future, which I doubt I will be around to witness and perhaps appreciate.

Thank you for the welcome, I've been a lurker so long that I actually thought I had registered already lol

I understand about the file size but coming from a d300s that shoots 8fps, you don't want to downgrade to something slower. There's a few times where I've actually missed the shot that I want, even with 8fps.

ChasCS

Then that's probably not the cameras fault, is it?

Gotta get better prepared, friend. ;-)

What do you think?
There's thee convenient video button, right next to the shutter release, on the D800...
I know , but it's just a thought.

heartyfisher

@Kyyo24,
Welcome to the NR forum.
Yes a few more frames a second would obviously be a marvelous thing, but think about the file sizes...
There's a whole lot of processing going on there in milliseconds.
Perhaps in the future, we will have the option to "dial in" the requirements we desire for a particular shoot or event.

Here's looking into to the distant future, which I doubt I will be around to witness and perhaps appreciate.

Thank you for the welcome, I've been a lurker so long that I actually thought I had registered already lol

I understand about the file size but coming from a d300s that shoots 8fps, you don't want to downgrade to something slower. There's a few times where I've actually missed the shot that I want, even with 8fps.

welcome ! good to see another d400 advocate ! .. :-)

However i feel we can only feel miserable together .. :-(

If a D400 does arrive I wont be surprised that it has an electronic shutter and it could shoot with 30 FPS ..

Kyyo24

Then that's probably not the cameras fault, is it?

Gotta get better prepared, friend. ;-)

What do you think?
There's thee convenient video button, right next to the shutter release, on the D800...
I know , but it's just a thought.

Maybe, maybe not...it's not always guaranteed with sports which is why cameras like the d4 and canon 1dx shoot 10-14 fps...

ChasCS

I watch a lot of MMA, and notice the cage side photographers, practically have their DSLR glued to their faces.
I don't know what they are shooting, video or still frames but they aren't missing much of anything.

They follow the action, and just keep shooting...

donaldejose

I predict we will see a D400 in 2014 and it will be much better than the D7100. Hopefully, it will qualify as "next generation" showing Nikon has skipped one generation of the DXXX update cycle.

heartyfisher

we already had this 1 year ago.. wont be surprised if a new Nikon went to 20 or 30 FPS with the new Expeed processor. would you ?

"its remarkable Advanced Hybrid Autofocus System offering both phase (73-point) and contrast-detection (135-point) autofocus. It zeroes in on subjects with such speed and precision, you'll never miss a shot. you can harness that precision at a blazing fast 15 frames per second continuous shooting! "

heartyfisher

I predict we will see a D400 in 2014 and it will be much better than the D7100. Hopefully, it will qualify as "next generation" showing Nikon has skipped one generation of the DXXX update cycle.

Thanks i will have one please :-)

using the conservative pixel density of the V1 (10MP) not even a V2 (14MP) in a DX sensor you get 32MP ! with the new Expeed we can get at least 8 FPS probably 15FPS. all looking good with the 73/135 AF points !

Kyyo24

I watch a lot of MMA, and notice the cage side photographers, practically have their DSLR glued to their faces.
I don't know what they are shooting, video or still frames but they aren't missing much of anything.

They follow the action, and just keep shooting...

They more than likely also don't have to sort and edit their own photos lol

I'm not a professional or anything so having it glued to my face would be pointless. And I'm not saying it happens alot like I'm some noob that can't handle a camera. I was simply trying to say that your keeper rate on a camera like a d800 for sports might be alot lower. 4fps vs 8 can mean the difference in getting the right shot.

Kyyo24

I predict we will see a D400 in 2014 and it will be much better than the D7100. Hopefully, it will qualify as "next generation" showing Nikon has skipped one generation of the DXXX update cycle.

I'm crossing my fingers! I'm thinking it will be at Photokina...if not, then we probably won't ever see one

donaldejose

At least I should be able to say I am one year closer to being accurate than I was a year ago!

spraynpray

LOL Donald! :-))

sevencrossing

or simply can't afford a $5k price tag of a D4

This sums up this thread nicely
What we want is a D4 that cost less than a D610

WestEndBoy

Got it!!!!

Msmoto, should we close this thread now? We all want your camera for 75% off.

Just kidding.....

Photobug

At least I should be able to say I am one year closer to being accurate than I was a year ago!

+1 for donald )

I still believe that the D400/D9000 will cost about the price of the D610. If my memory serves me, over the 72 pages I have repeatedly said it would ball between $2,000 and $2,400. Top of the line DX is going to cost some where near the entry level FX DSLR.

Finally, for a forum that has had no traffic for weeks and I log in today and there are +20 messages. The forum will never die, even years from now. )

donaldejose

sevencrossing: Yes! I believe Nikon can, and will, build a D400 for about one third the cost of a D4. That is why I refer to it as a D4 lite. Remember the D300s was 12mp when the D3 was also 12mp and the D300s cost about one third of the D3. I predict a price point of right under $2,000 unless it comes with a built-in battery grip like the D4 and then it will cost $2,249. It would be the greatest Nikon body because it would be all the camera most photojournalists and sports shooters and wildlife shooters really need. I predict Sigma will expand upon their line of f1.8 DX zooms so DX shooters will also have the shallow depth of field of FX shooters using "pro" f2.8 zooms. It will come to pass eventually. I don't know if it will be a 24 or 16 mp sensor. Could be either.

sevencrossing

....That is why I refer to it as a D4 lite....

That is called the Df and I am afraid it cost nearly $3, 000

if Nikon can be out a new camera that sells for $3,000 and demand exceeds supply; I don't think they are going to bring a potential rival to the D4 that cost under $2000
but if they do, I will be first in the queue

donaldejose

No, my D4 lite is not the Df because that is an FX sensor body. I am talking about a camera very much like the D4 but built around the best DX sensor Nikon can obtain or make. The world "lite" in my case refers to the use of a DX sensor and not just the use of a lighter body. One could argue the Df is the real replacement for the D700 since it is using the D4 sensor in a less expensive body without a battery grip. And the D700 did cost the same $3,000 Nikon is asking for a Df. I am talking about what Nikon can and will do in DX as a replacement for the D300s.

PB_PM

Not happening. The last camera like that was the D2xs.

WestEndBoy

Not happening. The last camera like that was the D2xs.

Agreed. Also, professional glass is FX. There is not really any professional DX glass. I think that Nikon would produce professional DX glass if they any professional aspirations for DX.

donaldejose

I would like to see it built with a carbon fiber reinforced plastic body rather than a D4 style metal body. Maybe lighter weight and lower cost? Also, put a very robust AF motor in for use with old large AF lenses. You only need a few DX professional lenses covering from about 24mm to 200mm in FX equivalent. Anything longer will be covered by birders using their existing FX glass. In fact, you may not even need to cover 70 to 200mm because the existing 70-200 f4 should be light enough to mate well with a D400 body. So you are left with a range from about 24 to about 100 mm in FX equivalent. The Sigma 18-35 f1.8 already covers 27 to 52mm of that range. Perhaps Sigma will scale up that lens to produce a 35 to 70mm f1.8 version. That would give us a DX range equivalent to 27 to 105 f2.8 in FX and should serve well for interiors as well as portraits with good bokeh. Nikon doesn't have to make any DX professional glass if Sigma continues with it's line of 1.8 zooms.

PB_PM

Carbon fiber could actually be more expensive than magnesium alloy, but it would be lighter.

donaldejose

It is not a full carbon fiber body but as I understand it a process of embedding some carbon fiber into plastic for added strength. You don't see any of the carbon fiber. I have not seen any cost figures.

heartyfisher

Re the Sigma 1.8 Zooms -- Yes it would be nice if sigma expanded on it.. but there is no reason to overlap/or not overlap the focal lengths. Lens function should be paramount rather than being constrained by the focal lengths of sibling lenses in the range. therefore the next F1.8 dx zoom could be the 35-70 you described or a 28-60 or even a 52-105 ! my vote is for a 52-105 !

ie the equivalent functionality of fx dyad the 24-70 and the 70-200 albeit with smaller range. what a pair that would make for the DX eco.. 18-35 and 52-105 F1.8.

Kyyo24

I don't know if it will be a 24 or 16 mp sensor. Could be either.

If rather have 16 with a clean 12800 native iso...I can dream atleast lol