D300s Successor-D400, what and when

heartyfisher

I don't know if it will be a 24 or 16 mp sensor. Could be either.

If rather have 16 with a clean 12800 native iso...I can dream atleast lol

I would say 32 MP would be more likely.. a few months ago we already know that the people who make the 1" sensor for the Nikon1 has a Dx sensor ready and being evaluated by one of their clients (nikon?)

heartyfisher

I don't know if it will be a 24 or 16 mp sensor. Could be either.

If rather have 16 with a clean 12800 native iso...I can dream atleast lol

Went back to check.. the report in april last year.. was a 16MP Dx sensor from aptina. .. so you may get what you are wanting ! they have technology that boosts High ISO capability in effect changing the physical profile of the sensor at high ISO! quite cool.

sevencrossing

I am talking about a camera very much like the D4 but built around the best DX sensor Nikon can obtain or make.

Comparing the D7100 with a D610 gives us a very approximated idea of the retail price difference between putting a Dx sensor and and Fx sensor in a similar body; a saving of about $1,000, this means your D4 light would cost about $4,000 or $1,000 more than a D800

so lets see what happens if we put a Dx sensor in a Df, this brings the price down to only $2,000

But there is still a problem. The magic thing about Dx is something called "reach". I have to confess, I don't fully understand "reach" but it seems to depend on pixel density

Nikon do have a 24 mp Dx sensor, but it does not seem to have anything like the high ISO capability of the Df and the D4 which Ms moto wants

Then we come to other thing on everyones wish list, high fps, with either a big buffer or a write speed fast enough not to need one. but Nikon have failed to do this on the D7100 , the D800 the D600 and the Df
There are rumors of a new FX DSLR that may address this issue, once this in production we might just MIGHT see a D400

donaldejose

I will buy a D400 with a 16mp sensor IF it will give me clean high ISO with good image quality like a D4 does. I think such a camera would sell very well. 16mp will be better for photojournalists than 24mp since the images will not be enlarged much and smaller file size will be helpful in sending the image over the internet.

And sure it would be better to have a Sigma 52-105 f1.8 (equivalent to FX 78-157.5) if the quality was as good as DxOMark reports for the Sigma 18-35 f1.8. Then a DX shooter could have "pro" quality glass from 18mm (27mm FX equivalent) to 105mm (157.5 FX equivalent) in f1.8 (FX 2.8 equivalent). That range should be sufficient for all those photographers who work for local papers, etc.

We haven't discussed candidates for "pro" DX primes. Any suggestions?

sevencrossing

I). That range should be sufficient for all those photographers who work for local papers, etc.

In my part of the world they are a dying breed and non seem to be intent or buy new gear before they retire
Pictures in the local press seem to be from agency photographers who use D3s, D4s or D800s (or Canons) and more and more, photographs from readers taken with smart phones

donaldejose

Yes, I think it is true that local press photojournalism is dying with reporters now asked to supply the photos for their own stories and these repoters will be using either smart phones or point and shoot cameras. However, high school yearbooks will still be produced. Local sports coverage cannot be done with a smart phone.

Kyyo24

I don't know if it will be a 24 or 16 mp sensor. Could be either.

If rather have 16 with a clean 12800 native iso...I can dream atleast lol

Went back to check.. the report in april last year.. was a 16MP Dx sensor from aptina. .. so you may get what you are wanting ! they have technology that boosts High ISO capability in effect changing the physical profile of the sensor at high ISO! quite cool.

Well it looks they do have the technology, the D3300 is (not official yet) 24mp with iso 100-12800! 25600 on high boost

Sports

One has to be impressed by the specs and quality of the latest generation DX cameras.
It raises the expectations even more for what the D400 will be capable of.
[Oops, at this point, the happy pill just lost its power.]
So ... it adds to the disappointment about Nikon not caring about the D400 segment.
Well, the few remaining believers were expecting Q1 '14, weren't we? (because Expeed 4 is ready and the occasions are there.)

Photobug

Once every 3 weeks the wife asks about the "mythical D400/D9000". I just look at her and laugh. Told her there is more of a chance I'll move to a full frame camera before the D400 is introduced. ) )

PaRealtor

Nikon.com says: Meet the "new flagship" of Nikon's outstanding DX-format HD-SLR line-up: the D7100.
Took that to mean that the D400 is NOT coming?
So, I settled on the D7100.
Trust me, I am NOT disappointed!
However, my Nikon friends keep talking about the D400.
Sounds like it's going to be a great one, should it ever appear!

PB_PM

I think you friends will be talking for a long time, as the mythical D400 is going to stay that way for a very, very long time (if not forever).

donaldejose

I see the D3300 has:
"A wide 100-12,800 (expandable up to 25,600) ISO range" and
"the camera body is constructed with carbon fiber for lightweight durability"

So these features surely are possible in a D400. I also note that Expeed 4 with a 24mp sensor yields 5fps while people would want about 8fps in a D400.

spraynpray

My D7100 is Expeed 3 with 24Mp and yet does 6fps Donald.

donaldejose

Many people felt a DX sensor could not do ISO 12,800 yet we now have two: the D3300 and the D5300. Of course, usable IQ still needs to be determined. I am suggesting Nikon has some minimal standard of IQ and what once could be done only up to 6,400 can now be done up to 12,800 for a one stop improvement. Certainly, when a D400 appears it will include ISO to 12,800 plus some additional HI modes.

I don't know what all the limiting factors are for fps with Expeed 4. Since the D7100 can do 6fps perhaps a D400 can be made to do 8fps with Expeed 4?

Sports

Expeed 4 is assumed to be more or less the same as the new generation of Fujitsu Milbeaut which handles 24 Mp at 12 fps.
(In theory, it should be able to handle D4s/16 Mp at 18 fps!)

WestEndBoy

Many people felt a DX sensor could not do ISO 12,800 yet we now have two: the D3300 and the D5300. Of course, usable IQ still needs to be determined. I am suggesting Nikon has some minimal standard of IQ and what once could be done only up to 6,400 can now be done up to 12,800 for a one stop improvement. Certainly, when a D400 appears it will include ISO to 12,800 plus some additional HI modes.

I don't know what all the limiting factors are for fps with Expeed 4. Since the D7100 can do 6fps perhaps a D400 can be made to do 8fps with Expeed 4?

I would not shoot my D800 at ISO 6400, let alone a DX sensor at ISO 12,800. Well, never say never, but....

PB_PM

You are missing out by not using the available range. Get some good noise reduction software to make those files usable.

Photobug

I think you friends will be talking for a long time, as the mythical D400 is going to stay that way for a very, very long time (if not forever).

+1 agree with PB-PM.

Like PaRealtor I also gave up waiting and I am enjoying the D7100. No disappointment with me.

Nik0n2011

I would not shoot my D800 at ISO 6400, let alone a DX sensor at ISO 12,800. Well, never say never, but....

i remember some times ago Nikon announced a dslr (dx entry level etc)
with night vision and all the hype around it

yes it was delicious, a delicious addition, but not for producing anything serious, just to have some fun with it.

specs mean all and nothing, they might add X rays tomorrow but then...

sevencrossing

jshickele
I would not shoot my D800 at ISO 6400

So what do you do, when you cant use flash and you are already shooting at 1/15 @ f1.4

Ironheart

Pack up and go home, because a shot taken at ISO 6400 is worse than no shot at all Also, there is no such thing as noise reduction software.

WestEndBoy

jshickele
I would not shoot my D800 at ISO 6400

So what do you do, when you cant use flash and you are already shooting at 1/15 @ f1.4

My complete quote was, "I would not shoot my D800 at ISO 6400, let alone a DX sensor at ISO 12,800. Well, never say never, but.... "

First, haul the tripod out. If no tripod was available, I might prop it on something. Finally, I would not bother with the picture. I have never been in a situation where I wanted the picture bad enough to "finally bother". However, "Never say never".

spraynpray

Tripods don't help if the subject is moving - even if just a little....

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Many people felt a DX sensor could not do ISO 12,800 yet we now have two: the D3300 and the D5300. Of course, usable IQ still needs to be determined.

I tried out a D5300 at a store to see the high ISO IQ - it was awful at 12800. Compared to my D5100 at 12800 (ie set at hi1) it may have been a *tiny* bit better, which is to say slightly less awful :-) Put it this way, neither were producing keepers at that ISO. 1600 is the ISO limit on both for my taste (YMMV obviously, everyone has different tastes), 3200 in a pinch. The D5300 has slightly finer grain due to 24v16mp which may look a little better to some.

I'd hoped like you that Nikon techs had found a stop, but in reality it seems the marketing department just renamed hi1 to 12800 :-(

Kuv

Depends what the photo is for. When shooting events (e.g. weddings), you can't not take the shot. If it takes ISO 6400, you go 6400.