NIKON...MIRROR LESS NOW WITH FIRMWARE UPDATE

Searcy

Here's a rumor I just read on a Sony page.

. Nikon FF Mirrorless adapter with Built-in AF Module ?

According to Kevin Nikon upcoming full frame mirrorless adapter may have a in-built AF module inside. At the moment we don’t know how Nikon is putting AF moudle inside the Adpater that work independently for DSLR lenses. The Mirror in the adapter is said to have AF points which will help the Mirrorless camera to acquire AF with DSLR lenses. So somehow, Kevin said that the upcoming hybrid autofocus sensor inside the Nikon mirrorless camera isn’t capable to drive the older Nikon DSLR lenses.

Canon doesn’t have such issue

So that’s really a sad thing to hear, because we do have Canon in our front that drive their own DSLR lenses very perfectly with dual pixel CMOS autofocus sensor as well as the phase autofocus sensor. And same with the Canon EOS M system, with the help of Canon EOS M / EF-S lens adapter you can use the EF-S (APS-C) DSLR lenses and still you can enjoy the DPAF sensor benefits.

So, I don’t think it’s a big issue for Nikon also to drive there lenses with the hybrid autofocus sensors, but let’s face it, if such problem Present inside Nikon upcoming Mirrorless system cameras, then it’s really a big issue because the auto focusing of the DSLR lenses will going to be limited by the type of phase autofocus Module used inside the adaptor made for the mirror less system cameras.

Nanda next thing Kevin is talking about the Sony surprise announcement that we have talked back on November 2017.

http://thenewcamera.com/category/sony-rumors/

Interesting thoughts.

mhedges

Ugh I don’t like that at all. Seems like that would have to be expensive, and probably slow like the other adapters that have mirrors for AF. And you would still have to do AF fine tune - not having to do that is a big benefit of mirrorless.

MunchmaQuchi

When I used a Sony, there were days when I had to wet clean the sensor 6-8 times. I shot my d810 40k photos and never once cleaned the sensor.

Pistnbroke

Sounds like the adaptor is going to kill the new camera

Vipmediastar_JZ

Unless you go all native with their new lens lineup.

DenverShooter

Vipmediastar_JZ said:

Unless you go all native with their new lens lineup.

LOL

Someone wake me up when they have the following "mirrorless" lenses:

14mm to 24mm F/2.8
24mm to 70mm F/2.8
70mm to 200mm F/2.8
80mm to 400mm F/4.5 to F/5.6
400mm F/2.8
800mm F/5.6
85mm F/1.8
105mm Micro F/2.8

Because thats what I am using now and maybe I will think about it..

And by that time they will probably have all of the bugs worked out of the bodies too.

You can tell the "early adopters", they have the flaming arrows in their backs.

Denver Shooter

PB_PM

Searcy said:

Here's a rumor I just read on a Sony page...

In other words nonsense from Sony fanboys to scare people. The Nikon 1 FP-1 f-mount adapter worked fine without a mirror or AF motor.

Symphotic

It might be that if the Sony page generated rumor is true, the internal adapter motor could be to drive the old AF lenses. Think about it. What purpose would be served by an autofocus motor in an adapter for a AF-S Lenses? Why put a motor drive in body on a camera that doesn't need it. I wouldn't mind if there is a version of the adapter without the AF adapter, as I use either old manual focus or G lenses. (Try running your old Minolta lenses on a Sony: do you need an adapter?)
This is a non-issue. I'm still in.

spraynpray

Steady fellas...

tc88

I didn't bother to click. But if it comes from a Sony fan page, it's usually over blown. AF module could just mean a screw motor to drive the old AF lens. Nothing more. If Nikon puts this out, it only means it takes the backwards compatibility very seriously, beyond what I think is necessary. And I don't see downsides if they manage to put that into the adapter.

Pistnbroke

If the new lenses are using focus detect on the sensor why do they need focus module?
should they not have built in the electronics to work the lens focus motor and a solenoid to operate the aperture finger....We must wait but a pellicle mirror is going to be a disaster.

Hiker

DenverShooter said:

Vipmediastar_JZ said:

Unless you go all native with their new lens lineup.

LOL

Someone wake me up when they have the following "mirrorless" lenses:

14mm to 24mm F/2.8
24mm to 70mm F/2.8
70mm to 200mm F/2.8
80mm to 400mm F/4.5 to F/5.6
400mm F/2.8
800mm F/5.6
85mm F/1.8
105mm Micro F/2.8

Because thats what I am using now and maybe I will think about it..

And by that time they will probably have all of the bugs worked out of the bodies too.

You can tell the "early adopters", they have the flaming arrows in their backs.

Denver Shooter

Remember Pink Floyds "Dark Side Of The Moon"?? "Time to wake up"!!! Knock knock knock..."Time to wake up"!!! Knock knock knock...Awesome SACD by the way...

Sony GM and G lenses

12-24 f4
16-35 f2.8
16-35 f4
85 f1.8 & 1.4
24-70 f2.8 & f4
70-200 f2.8 & f4
24-105 f4
24-240 f3.5-6.3
100-400 f4.5-5.6
70-300 f4.5-5.6
90 f2.8 Macro
And the just announced 400mm f2.8
And there are 12 others in various focal lengths.

DenverShooter

Nikon Lenses.

With all due respect, Sony is a relative "newbie" to the DSLR lens building business.

Yoda Says: Much to learn they have.

Denver Shooter

moreorless

DenverShooter said:

Vipmediastar_JZ said:

Unless you go all native with their new lens lineup.

LOL

Someone wake me up when they have the following "mirrorless" lenses:

14mm to 24mm F/2.8
24mm to 70mm F/2.8
70mm to 200mm F/2.8
80mm to 400mm F/4.5 to F/5.6
400mm F/2.8
800mm F/5.6
85mm F/1.8
105mm Micro F/2.8

Because thats what I am using now and maybe I will think about it..

And by that time they will probably have all of the bugs worked out of the bodies too.

You can tell the "early adopters", they have the flaming arrows in their backs.

Denver Shooter

Honestly though I wouldn't be supprised if Nikon took the view that they don't really need to go after shooters like you strongly with mirrorless. Sony did because the FF A-mount cameras never captured much of a market but Nikon already has a good chunk of the FF DSLR market.

Ultimately as well is that kind of lens going to be as much of a benefit? if your sell cameras partly on size saving then massive honking zooms and tele primes do not seem like a good matchup, honestly some of the FE lenses just look silly on the bodies.

I could see more slower F/4 zooms and prime lenses more in the wide/normal range making up the early releases for this system.

Vipmediastar_JZ

I agree with @denvershooter I seen canon users convert to sony. Lets just say I used to like their canon work more. Whatever the reason, their sony photographs they look like CGI.

snakebunk

This thread is going in circles. I think now is the time when I say that Nikon can convert all of their E lenses to the new mount really easy. And if they make it open to third parties there will be no shortage of lenses (given that the cameras are not a complete failure). I don't remember who but I am sure someone will disagree .

Pistnbroke

like I said I should go to sleep until the 23 rd ..must be having a bad night

Capt_Spaulding

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BVS

DenverShooter said:

Vipmediastar_JZ said:

Unless you go all native with their new lens lineup.

LOL

Someone wake me up when they have the following "mirrorless" lenses:

14mm to 24mm F/2.8
24mm to 70mm F/2.8
70mm to 200mm F/2.8
80mm to 400mm F/4.5 to F/5.6
400mm F/2.8
800mm F/5.6
85mm F/1.8
105mm Micro F/2.8

Because thats what I am using now and maybe I will think about it..

And by that time they will probably have all of the bugs worked out of the bodies too.

You can tell the "early adopters", they have the flaming arrows in their backs.

Denver Shooter

If I were Nikon, the 14-24, 24-70, 70-200, 85, and 105 would be among the first 10 lenses I would make.

The other five would be 24, 35 (already rumored), 50 (already rumored), kit zoom, and 70-300.

The 80-400, 400, 800, and other long lenses can be adapted in the beginning, assuming the adapter works well.

rmp

I hope the 105/1.8 macro or 135/1.8 macro is among the early lenses. My old 105/2.8 macro could use an update.

This is weird, but as an early adopter I usually dump old technology early. In this case, I find myself wanting to hold onto my D850 and it's basic set of lenses. I will buy the Zxxx, but I will also keep my D850. Maybe old age is finally setting in. :-)

Hiker

Vipmediastar_JZ said:

I agree with @denvershooter I seen canon users convert to sony. Lets just say I used to like their canon work more. Whatever the reason, their sony photographs they look like CGI.

I'm on the Sony A7iii Facebook page. There are more Nikon users switching it seems. Canon not far behind if not the same. And TONS of those Nikon users had D750's. And the Canon guys are making the Nikon guys unhappy. Canon users switching have little to no issues with Canon lenses and an adaptor. Nikon users? More issues than not. Let's hope Nikon is successful. And the adaptor works. Or you F mount guys will be unhappy with the mirrorless option from Nikon.

PhotoShep

So I’ve been thinking...with a Mirrorless camera do we actually need a viewfinder anymore? What advantages, if any, do they have over just using a much bigger higher res screen?...it seems to me to build in a 2nd mini screen for you to press your 1 eye up against when u have a much bigger/better version with all the same info literally right next to it is a bit silly. It would be a big change but...why? Just a thought

sport

For myself, it's easier to hold the camera to my eye to get steady shots. It's a third point to balance on. Hang a big piece of glass on the front and try to hand hold while staring at the screen would be taxing

Plus, in full sunlight it's way easier to see what is in the view finder.

spraynpray

sport said:

For myself, it's easier to hold the camera to my eye to get steady shots. It's a third point to balance on. Hang a big piece of glass on the front and try to hand hold while staring at the screen would be taxing



Plus, in full sunlight it's way easier to see what is in the view finder.

Yes and YES.

I call them zombie cams because people using them are all walking around with their arms out in front of them!

HankB

Before cell phone cameras could produce a reasonable image, I would carry a point and shoot pocket camera. The three I bought all had optical viewfinders as well as LCD screens (Canon seemed to the the last optical holdout). With all the optical viewfinder faults — parallax, imprecise framing even at infinity, no indication of focus, really small, etc — I so much preferred it over the LCD screen. The issue wasn't optical vs electronic; the issue was eye level vs arms length screen.

Even now with smart phone screens far outperforming camera screens, I still hate holding that phone out in front of me.