Nikon D610 discussion

Msmoto

If you are discussing the D610, comparing, complaining or giving it the kudos it might deserve, then this is the place. Hopefully, the D600 discussion will gradually fade into the past. I suspect many would be happier fi they had never seen a D600 while some have had an excellent experience. In any case, the consensus seems to be that the D610 is a very good body.

NRandall

I probably was unclear in m comments, sorry. I was referring to the D600/700/800 subforum and wondered if the title of that Subforum could be altered now to include the D610 given the similarities with the earlier model. Much of the good learning on the D600 would still apply. This probably says something about my penchant for a neatly organised world.. LOL.

Msmoto

bcn2 said:

Just replaced my D600 after Nikon damaged it replacing the shutter for the sensor oil issue which they attribute to environmental dust.

The new D610 from Amazon already has oil spots in the left upper quadrant after only 5 photos. Worse after 200 shots.
These perfectly round circles are most evident with higher apertures and a deep blue sky, again as with the D600, they are clustered in the left upper quadrant. Has anyone seen this issue with their 610's or is this an isolated event?

Ironheart

@bcn2, did you hit it with a rocket blower? It could be dust... What lens are you using? Zooms can be dust pumps too.

bcn2

did not use rocket blower, this camera is brand new, out of the box, using nikkorAF-S70-300MM, 1:4.5-5.6G, , is there any way to post images, would be helpful if all could see the D600 spots and the identical D610 spots

PB_PM

Hate to break it to you @bcn2 almost every new camera I've bought had some dust on it from the factory. Just blow it off and move on.

bcn2

is this dust or oil D600 image D610 to follow

bcn2

dust or oil on D600, D619 to follow

bcn2

https://www.flickr.com/photos/111662646@N08/11391103105/

bcn2

same spots now on D610, enlarge to see clearly

bcn2

https://www.flickr.com/photos/111662646@N08/11392028533

smadman

Just looked at your D610 photo -- not encouraging, but like @PB_PM said, you definitely need to see whether or not a simple blower session will clear this up.

Fredericko

I dont see any spots on your D610 picture, I do see one spot on the upper left corner but thats it. Am I missing something?

Ironheart

The 70-300 is an air pump, sensors have an electrostatic charge, so viola. Give it a good blow (pointing the mount down of course with the mirror up and see if things move around or go away.

ChasCS

The first pic of the lighthouse and sky, I can clearly see many spots, some are fainter than the rest.

Second pic, three are visible, one Top left, one left Centre and one on the far Right, near "the far side"

The spots don't appear to be dust, but drops.

spraynpray

It is impossible to tell whether such out of focus spots are oil or dust with any certainty. Use a rocket blower on the sensor then report back please.

I presume you did not buy that lens with your D610 but owned it before and used it on the D600. During that time it would have breathed in the dust from the D600 and breathed it out into the sensor box of the D610. If I were you I would send all zoom lenses back to Nikon for a free clean due to D600 contamination.

bcn2

New Lens with both cameras, purchased both as 2 lens kit. Lighthouse pic after about 4000 clicks, D610 pic after about 200 clicks, Same morphology with spots from both cameras. Nikon reviewed the lighthouse pic and concluded it was clearly dust, saying that Nikon is unaware of any oil issue. Does anyone believe that dust particles are perfect solid circles or is this dust as Nikon contends?

Msmoto

The issue as I understand it with identifying a spot as to dust or oil is that the particle/oil is not on the sensor but on the filter in front of the sensor. Thus, the image will not necessarily be sharply defined as the light is always coming from a non-point source, i.e., the aperture of the lens. I believe this is why a smaller aperture will show more.

A point to be considered is why the D4 has junk all over the sensor after about 5,000-10,000 images and just requires cleaning. I am extremely careful how I change lenses, well, maybe, and I avoid dirty air locations when doing so. Yet, at 10,000 actuation's my D4 had about 70 spots, which I cleaned with the Peter Greg sensor cleaning tools. Re-cleaend at 20,000 same scenario.

Just a thought. If you are unhappy with the D610, do not wish to clean it yourself, maybe you should return it. But, the data from Lens Rentals is that the D610 does not have the same problem as the D600.

spraynpray

The issue as I understand it with identifying a spot as to dust or oil is that the particle/oil is not on the sensor but on the filter in front of the sensor. Thus, the image will not necessarily be sharply defined as the light is always coming from a non-point source, i.e., the aperture of the lens. I believe this is why a smaller aperture will show more.

A point to be considered is why the D4 has junk all over the sensor after about 5,000-10,000 images and just requires cleaning. I am extremely careful how I change lenses, well, maybe, and I avoid dirty air locations when doing so. Yet, at 10,000 actuation's my D4 had about 70 spots, which I cleaned with the Peter Greg sensor cleaning tools. Re-cleaned at 20,000 same scenario.

Just a thought. If you are unhappy with the D610, do not wish to clean it yourself, maybe you should return it. But, the data from Lens Rentals is that the D610 does not have the same problem as the D600.

I think your usage pattern is ahead of most people on NR Tommie. 5K clicks for me is about 12 months so 10K is around 24 months - my sensor has been cleaned twice in that same period - once because it needed it, and once because it was back for service and so got routinely cleaned whether it needed it or not. If I had left mine for 10K before the first clean it may have been around 50 spots but I didn't so I dunno what would have happened. The difference may be partly down to you using on CH for motor sport a fair bit - even if I used mine on CH as much as you it may not be the same as my D7K's CH isn't so high. I wouldn't bee too worried if I were you, and anyway - the FX sensor is so big, cleaning is a cinch.

Do you use a rocket blower from time to time for your sensor and rear of lens?

bcn2

The Nikon D 610 spots are increasing, enlarge photo x2 or revert to original size on flicker. Starting to approach the D600 lighthouse pic I previously submitted.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/111662646@N08/11419628883

PB_PM

That's really not that bad, when compared to what some D600 users face. To me it looks like the usual build up from lens changes and a zoom sucking in dust.

bcn2

again new camera out of the box, now 30 round spots, oil vs dust, lens changed twice at most, only 498 shutter clicks and present after first 5 shutter clicks and getting worse. Sure looks a lot like my D600 picture which was at 4000+clicks
http://www.flickr.com/photos/111662646@N08/11391103105/

bcn2

right click the pictures on flicker and choose original size for better detail

spraynpray

@bcn2 - Where's the Exif for your shots?

Msmoto

@bcn2

Yes, the Exif data is missing. This would be very helpful to us who are attempting to assist you in the solution to this problem. Please post with the complete Exif data.

I do not see anything on Flickr labeled D610 which I would consider a problem. Let us see the the image from the "new" D610 with the Exif data.