D810, All Discussions, Questions

Sanveann

@Vipmediastar_JZ, that's the Tamron 90 macro lens.

framer

A little different workflow. I only got stumped a couple of times and had to check the manual. The last body I bought was a D3s in 09 but the interface was 07. I see a lot has changed. Overall I'd give this puppy two thumbs up. I thought I'd miss the M S C switch and the area focus selection lever but I really like the new interface with the command dials. I swear the resolution beats my old Mamiya 7 MF. This is good...

framer

bigeater

I just got a D810 this afternoon and shot with it for about 20 minutes, I'm thinking that this might be the first camera that I feel comfortable shooting jpgs only. The jpgs straight from the camera at ISO 8,000 are pretty clean. This camera was a really good choice for me.

Golf007sd

Congratulation to all the new D810 owners. I'm sure we are all looking forward to your images in he coming future.

Camera's here... OMG.. 1st image taken.
framer

Reminds me of Golf when he got his 300mm 2.8.

LMFAO :P

Bowsider

Hi Kanuck, sorry about that mate - I should have never used the word 'failings' when describing the D800, I must have got a bit carried away. It was, is and always will be a ground breaking and amazing camera. It just seems that even the menu systems in the D810 are better thought through. It can be customised to any shooting style and I am very happy with my settings. I am looking forward to apple's raw update so I can edit with Aperture 3. Does anyone know if this will happen?
I'm not a pro, but I'm up in the alps at the moment. If I get a shot worthy of Nikon Rumors then I'll make the effort to post a sample. Best wishes to all,
Bow

spraynpray

I am looking forward to apple's raw update so I can edit with Aperture 3. Does anyone know if this will happen?
Bow

Oh-oh, you'd better check this out...

http://forum.nikonrumors.com/discussion/3010/heads-up-for-aperture-users-#Item_15

framer

A fast test of the buffer using an old 8gb 300x or 45mbps CF got me 18 before full and cleared in 23 seconds.

Camera was set to RAW+Fine. Close that I could tell it took 3.6 sec to fill the buffer w/18 shots or right on 5fps.

I grabbed the newer SD card from the wifes 3200 and will give it a go later today.

Can't wait to attach it to the 400 this weekend.

framer

Rx4Photo

@ Sanveann and @ncyapbarista, you've both nailed these photos. Focus is sharp enough to make me want to touch the computer screen to see if it's real.

JJ_SO

... I am looking forward to apple's raw update so I can edit with Aperture 3. Does anyone know if this will happen?...

Of course it will happen, independently of abandoning Aperture and starting photos.app. Apple will not give up their RAW-support as all apps are participating of it. No Apple user has to develop a supported RAW-file to mail it as JPG, that all happens internally thanks to RAW compatibility update. We're not living in complicate Windows-worlds.

spraynpray

I just read the old D800 thread and saw this from TTJ:
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@sevencrossing said:
So are any improvement Nikon could make to the D800 to make anyone rush out and buy one?


@TaoTeJared said: For me I look at what the Dynamic Range drop is, noise "smudgery", resolution (one of the lowest items), AF performance, frame rate, etc. needs to be 50% better for me to take a serious look. That would mean a DR and noise of the D4s, keep the resolution, and all of the "Etc.s" need to add up big time on improvements. There just is very little it can't handle and does at such a high level. The one exception is very low light (shooting above 3200 constantly) with a very high quality and large DR with saturated colors, sports FPS and the Connectivity built in web server thing.

I do think if Nikon re-did their menu layout, customization, custom buttons, better saved custom banks, improved auto iso controls, (basically look at what Canon does) and things along those lines, that is what improvement really is. Wifi or the D4/s connectivity built in web server thing would be very nice. Nikon is just plain moronic when it comes to the lack of wifi - I just don't get it. I want an "export to phone" type of editing function that really drops the size to a small image that a iphone can handle. There are times I really want to share images immediately without a computer. The D800 files (even small jpeg) are too big for a phone to really handle.
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Interesting and poses a question for the new D810 owners:

When I saw the difference in noise performance between my D7000 and D7100, I went straight out and bought one. Now that I have stared at many shots taken with it in all kinds of light, I believe that a big difference in the performance is the treatment of the noise. TTJ referred to it as 'smudgery' which is what stopped me in my tracks because that is what I have called it in my mind when looking at it. Obviously all noise reduction is blurring to some extent, but there is a difference - pixel peeping reveals ( to my eyes) more of a 'painted' look to the image. Has anybody else seen this?

So, my question is, do the D810 images share similar noise reduction methods?

JonMcGuffin

When I saw the difference in noise performance between my D7000 and D7100, I went straight out and bought one. Now that I have stared at many shots taken with it in all kinds of light, I believe that a big difference in the performance is the treatment of the noise. TTJ referred to it as 'smudgery' which is what stopped me in my tracks because that is what I have called it in my mind when looking at it. Obviously all noise reduction is blurring to some extent, but there is a difference - pixel peeping reveals ( to my eyes) more of a 'painted' look to the image. Has anybody else seen this?
So, my question is, do the D810 images share similar noise reduction methods?

This is very peculiar to me because when I owned a D7000 and purchased the D7100 the moment it was released I did side by side noise tests in all kinds of conditions and absolutely couldn't tell a difference between the two. Actually, there were some differences I could spot, but I couldn't necessarily say which was better over the other. And yes, I did re sample the D7100 to match the D7000's resolution. When you're staring straight down a 1:1 representation of an image and it's nothing but a blotch of pixels and you can't tell a difference, and when you pull back it's the same, it really makes one wonder what the point of all this minute differences are and why we go on and on about them.

I'm not knocking you, please don't take it that way. I'm just simply stating overall that I think we sometimes make a big deal over insignificant differences. I've read countless first hand accounts of people who have the D810 who had also a D800 and some are saying it's better in ISO performance, others not so much. I presume the advances to be minor at best and certainly may be nothing more than the smearing thing you're talking about. I wouldn't advise somebody to pickup a D810 over a D800 on ISO performance alone; in all practicality it just doesn't appear to be there.

Now the quite shutter, grip, faster frame rate, and universal reports of far better performing AF performance to me make this camera a legitimate upgrade from the D700/D600's and even a pretty good one I think for D800/800e owners.

Golf007sd

I would argue that, depending on the lighting condition, the addition 1 stop of light, which equates to twice the amount of light hitting the sensor, will offer the photographer more flexibility In the lens to use; thus allowing for better overall IQ. This specially has to be taken into account for large prints.

JonMcGuffin

I would argue that, depending on the lighting condition, the addition 1 stop of light, which equates to twice the amount of light hitting the sensor, will offer the photographer more flexibility In the lens to use; thus allowing for better overall IQ. This specially has to be taken into account for large prints.

Oh, I do agree 100%. However my contention that is if the sensor is somehow able to resolve TWICE as much light as the previous one, wouldn't that be obvious right from the get go? Why would we need to need to consult countless user reports, industry reviews, study charts, wait for DXO and DPReview to publish their findings so that we can all pixel peep and compare and see if we can find something that is in fact an improvement?

I'm the first to say if the D810 can truly deliver an ISO 6400 image with the same level of noise control and dynamic range that the D800 could at ISO 3200 that would be incredible. I'm just stating that certainly doesn't appear to be the case and since it's seemingly a tossup right now from virtually everything I'm reading/seeing, why bother to even make much of a deal about it? Seems like the jury is in to me, the D810 when ACR get's updated and out of beta is likely to give about the same, or a little better performance across the board in ISO over the D800.

The software handling and "smearing" of the image seems to be about the best that Nikon can throw at this and I would consider the Nikon products superior across the board to anything anybody else is doing in regards to performance at high ISO's. Better than Canon and the D4s/DF still on par with what I'm seeing everybody showing from the A7s.

It's been awhile now since the D3s came out and made a monumental improvement in this regard, I sense we must be at some physical limits in regards to current sensor technology. We might be stuck here for quite some time. From my perspective, I still say it's more important to squeeze out performance at 6400 than it is to give us 51,200.

donaldejose

Yes, some early reports indicate 1/3rd or 1/2 stop improvement rather than a full stop improvement. We will see if a consensus forms once more people test the D810.

Symphotic

Any ideas about wireless tethering with this? It looks like you would use the UT-1 WT-5 hardware, same as the D800. This is gear I don't have, but if Nikon have modernized this system in the 810, I would like to know.

The manual, http://download3.nikonimglib.com/archive1/Uslma00vmWju01F4NIw08vXsPQ61/D810FM_DL(En)01.pdf

doesn't seem to say much.

Wireless Tether: a photographic oxymoron.

canyonlight

So disappointed the D810 does not include built in GPS. Why is this so difficult Nikon?

Sanook

Guys, the main reason for this post is because I have ill extend some useful data for you about SD UHS-I vs SD UHS-II vs CF.
I have here a D810 + 3x SanDisk Extreme Pro 32GB cards.:
1) SD 95mb/s UHS-I
2) SD 280mb/s UHS-II
3) CF 160mb/s

Shooting in raw on formatted cards at max 5fps the buffer gets filled by:
1) 21 exposures 2) 21 exposures 3) 18 exposures.
For jpg Fine Large:
1) 65 2) 45!!! Yes, less. 3) 75

Nice to know there is no benefit to the newer cards. Thank you for the testing.

In those situations quieter is better. I used to like the noisy shutter now I like the quiet shutter. I beleive the D7100 and dD610 have quiet ones too at least the ones that I heard at B est Buy.

When I shoot next to some Canon's I'm always attracted to their low shutter sound.

The 7100 has only silent single snap, which is awkwardly slow and makes a "click" instead of a "snap". I think the 610 has silent continuous though. I know exactly what you mean about the Canon's sound, as I have found that the Canon silent shutter is quieter than Nikon. Someone should do a comparison of a Canon with the new 810.

THANKYOU SO MUCH for posting. Really helpful.

Sanook

I finally got the chance to use my Camera today, after it sat in the box since last week. It's good camera. Really FAST focus, lightening fast, it actually works faster than lightening :P

Only about 500 frames to take battery from 100% to empty (15%), seems not so good to me but I was playing on the menus non stop for 3-4 hours. Does this sound right? It should improve with a few charging cycles ?

With my macro 105mm it's so sharp you have to take care you don't cut yourself with the images

It's good.

Golf007sd

Vipmediastar_JZ

Score wise I dont gain much from D800 to D810.

The new feature are nice to have though.


I did take out the D800 today and it felt good to hold that bad boy with the Grip and body grip vs the DF

I'll be shooting at 1.4 today to see how well the focus is after the repair.

donaldejose

From the DxOMark data you wouldn't expect to be able to detect improved IQ or cleaner high ISO's with your eye. Note DxOMark sensor test does not test improved sharpness with the best FX lenses available. I do think image comparison testing will show more improvement in JPGs over the D800 because I think the Expeed 4 processor is allowing noise reduction techniques to be applied to shadow and solid tone (like sky) areas separately from the rest of the image. It will be interesting to compare ISO 3200 on the D800 with ISO 6400 on the D810. That should tell us if there has been a one stop improvement or 1/2 stop improvement at high ISO.

framer

Having spent all last night til 2am reading the manual and playing with everything that caught my fancy. I will say, this is really a great tool. It complements those with a D3 or D4 and replaces just about all before it. I'm sure that a D800/E is real close and if I had one of those I'd not even consider the D810. I'm glad I still have the D3s for when I need fast. I really need to do at this point is to print a few images this weekend. I have a family get together this weekend so I can get a couple of large group shots to dissect.

The following is coming from a person, "me", that has not owned or seriously used a pro-consumer body in the last 30 years.

Shutter is quite, real quite.

I like the small battery and charger. Why did Nikon have to make a giant charger for the D3.

I like the cheaper battery so to get extras of.

I love the smaller foot print so I won't standout when carrying around. It look like every other body.

The weight perfect for me.

I love the new focus system using the button and command wheels.

The monitor is worth upgrading for IMHO.

The AF system seems tack on perfect shooting 50mm @f1.8 105 @f2 17-35 @2.8 in night time living room light.

I would not want to choose between the D3s and the D810. I feel a strong need for both in my bag.

It shall be a interesting over next 5 years creating images with these two box brownies.

framer

Golf007sd

@framer: Nice feedback. Congrats.

PB_PM

If one considers DxO marks for whether to upgrade or not, that sure puts a cap on any reason not to upgrade if you already have a D800/D800E. That is, unless the video features and quiet shutter are important.

faateris

One simple question, is this new camera for sport, motorsport?
Why do You need camera like that for garden, flowers?