D300s Successor-D400, what and when

Msmoto

Seeing is believing and I have as yet to see the end results from Red Dragon. If anyone has access to large prints/files from this camera, I would love to see them. Meanwhile, back to the elusive D400…..and the thought I have it is not ever coming.

I am now moving toward the idea Nikon is going to bring out a mirrorless APS-C body which will accept a new line of lenses, plus the "F" mount with an adaptor.

Sports

I am now moving toward the idea Nikon is going to bring out a mirrorless APS-C body which will accept a new line of lenses, plus the "F" mount with an adaptor.

Yes, please.
You could be right, and if such a product is released and it just ROCKS, then we should be happy (except for those that want an OVF).
(I think Nikon would prepare for FX at the same time (just as Sony did with their E-mount).)
But even if this will eventually happen, we STILL want to know what's going on. And there's no trace .....
Unfortunately, Nikon has made many mistakes with new products, pricing, product lines, missing lenses, etc., so it's really hard to believe that they'll hit the nail on the head.

donaldejose

"mirrorless APS-C body which will accept a new line of lenses, plus the "F" mount with an adaptor" word be fine with me; just give it the specs of a good D400. As for the new line of lenses I suggest a "pancake" 28 or 24mm to make the camera pocket friendly (OK large pocket friendly."

spraynpray

I am now moving toward the idea Nikon is going to bring out a mirrorless APS-C body which will accept a new line of lenses, plus the "F" mount with an adaptor.

If that is the case and the EVF is not spectacular, my D7100 and D7000 will be pretty old before they get replaced.

PB_PM

A doubt the D300s replacement will be mirrorless. My guess is that Nikon will test the waters with an entry level model first.

spraynpray

I agree - far too good a chance it would not be well received.

Msmoto

Well, Sony and Fuji have taken a lead in this area and I would think Nikon is watching very closely. And, one might suspect they are in development of a mirrorless full frame or crop sensor camera to make certain they are not left out in the cold. Although, with the very strange thinking which seems to be entrenched in Nikon's way of doing business, they may have the "head in the sand" syndrome. :-B

PB_PM

Considering how bad the CIPA numbers are for DSLRs and mirrorless cameras for the January/February period, I think most of the camera companies have more to worry about than whether they are making mirrorless cameras or not.

While camera bloggers are flocking to mirrorless cameras the market is not. Mirrorless cameras have been on the market for 5 years now, and still hold just 5% of the market (up from 4% in 2012). Sales of mirrorless and DSLR's are falling. Right now the camera makers need to look for new ways to handle the images, before they worry about switching to mirrorless.

spraynpray

My opinion is that I think cameras are too much of Nikon's business for such a risky strategy. They are doubtless developing something in readiness, but will not jump unless people stop buying mirrored cameras or at least more people buy mirrorless.

@Msmoto: Don't forget Olympus.

Msmoto

Olympus. Like the one I carry in my purse..... But I am thinking an APS-C ....like a Fuji and sticking on the Nikkor glass.

spraynpray

I have only recently realised that M4/3rds is the same size as my D7100's 1.3 crop mode.

The IQ from the newer Oly's is very good.

TriShooter

One of my more technical friends is dropping Nikon and going to the the Olympus E-M1 which he was using on a shoot with me over a week ago which surprised me. I looked at some of his work from the shoot, which was done under hot lights, and was impressed with the performance of the camera. The auto-focus on this camera was awesome btw in this lighting scenario. So have to echo spraynpray's comment above on the new Oly's IQ.

I like my Nikon glass too much to make the drastic transition of my young protege, but he is younger, and less encumbered by not owning as much Nikon glass.

Talking about awesome; I went through Msmoto's site for well over an hour this weekend, and absolutely love the quality, and the consistency of her images. Bravo on your images Msmoto, and thank you for sharing them with us.

Sports

Nothing new, here, but I just saw these actual retail prices (DKR). Same 18-55 lens included except for the last ones.
D3000 1995
D3100 2495
D3200 2849
D5100 3795
D5200 4285
D3300 4485
D5300 5850
D7000 6256
D7100 7495
D610 12363 (body)
D800 17495 (body)
Do we see way too many options at the consumer end, and do we see a large gap in the range?
If Nikon wants to cover absolutely all bases below 7500 DKR, then why is it suddenly of no importance above this point?
All the other brands have products in this gap, so for commercial reasons, all logic should force Nikon to also cover it.
Maybe, they want D610 to drop a lot more, and close the gap? They would earn less, but who knows what the're thinking?
Actually, the D300S does sit in the gap at 9998 (body), but with the world's oldest sensor. Come on, Nikon ..... There's plenty of room for something new here.

WestEndBoy

Nothing new, here, but I just saw these actual retail prices (DKR). Same 18-55 lens included except for the last ones.
D3000 1995
D3100 2495
D3200 2849
D5100 3795
D5200 4285
D3300 4485
D5300 5850
D7000 6256
D7100 7495
D610 12363 (body)
D800 17495 (body)
Do we see way too many options at the consumer end, and do we see a large gap in the range?
If Nikon wants to cover absolutely all bases below 7500 DKR, then why is it suddenly of no importance above this point?
All the other brands have products in this gap, so for commercial reasons, all logic should force Nikon to also cover it.
Maybe, they want D610 to drop a lot more, and close the gap? They would earn less, but who knows what the're thinking?
Actually, the D300S does sit in the gap at 9998 (body), but with the world's oldest sensor. Come on, Nikon ..... There's plenty of room for something new here.

The D610 is the least expensive full frame on the market now, unless you count the discontinued D600.

So what improvements would you make to a D7100 that would be worth say 10,000 DKR? Full frame is not an option as that is another 5,000 DKR plus lens and the build quality and features are similar.

I am sure that any user on Nikon Rumours could provide an answer, but is there really a market for an "improved" crop sensor. Likely not with professionals. Most consumers will not need or want better build quality.

manhattanboy

The D610 is the least expensive full frame on the market now, unless you count the discontinued D600.

The 6D now goes for about 1500 which is cheaper than the 610.
However there are many benefits to crop shooting at least for distance sports.
You get more reach with less image to process while keeping a high resolution. I hands down prefer crop sensor for distance shooting. Anything <200 works great on a full frame but large distances on full frame require you to sell your car.

sevencrossing

So for the wild life photographers out there, is the V3 a viable replacement for the D300s?
Mirrorless
high fps (up 20 with AF)
high ISO (12800)
more reach ( high pixel density) than the D7100
cheaper than a D600
It seems to tick a lot of boxes

WestEndBoy

So for the wild life photographers out there, is the V3 a viable replacement for the D300s?
Mirrorless
high fps (up 20 with AF)
high ISO (12800)
more reach ( high pixel density) than the D7100
cheaper than a D600
It seems to tick a lot of boxes

With that CX sensor? Surely you are joking?

I have all three sensors - FX, DX and CX. The CX's low light performance is pathetic. Maybe they have doubled it, but double pathetic is still pathetic.

I suppose if the light is good, but the pixel density is "marketing run amok". The resolution of an 18 megapixel CX sensor will far exceed any Nikon lenses, even the FX macros.

Don't get me wrong, I see value in the CX format as I have one myself. But if the light is anything less than ideal, you need a flash.

So just to keep this post "on topic", wait for the D400.

manhattanboy

So for the wild life photographers out there, is the V3 a viable replacement for the D300s?
Mirrorless

The main problem is the first tick box you mention. For stationary wild animals then yes, but then you really don't need 20fps and really don't need a 300s either for that matter. The main problem is in the electronic viewfinder. They are getting better and better, but still are not quite adequate enough for easily capturing fast, distant action, which is what I would imagine most people would really want in the 300s. For fast close action there is the D4S, and Nikon right now seems to be saying if you want pro-level distance action then use the D4S and pony up one or more of your vital organs for a supertelephoto.

sevencrossing

With that CX sensor? Surely you are joking?
.... The CX's low light performance is pathetic. .....
So just to keep this post "on topic", wait for the D400

If we stayed on topic, this thread would have died years ago

But yes I agree, for high ISO Fx is a clear winner

but a lot of people on this thread want an affordable camera for wild life, they seen to want fps and reach, most seem to shoot at modest ISO values

The main problem is in the electronic viewfinder. They are getting better and better
so has anyone tried the V3 view finder yet ????

pony up one or more of your vital organs for a supertelephoto.
I don't think are worth a P&S let alone a D4s and 600mm f4

spraynpray

OK, screw the D400, put the D7100 sensor and an Expeed4 in the D300 and call it the D310. Whatever, just do SOMETHING!

PB_PM

They did, they released the D7000 and D7100. If there is going to be a D400 it will come this fall at Photokina, if not, it wont.

heartyfisher

A D8000 is on the way !! its the D400 replacement. its what all we 400ers (people who wait for D400) wanted ! and More! expect before the end of the year ! big change in styling ! think big V1/V3 ...

Maybe its mirrorless...

I saw it in a dream ;-)

spraynpray

They did, they released the D7000 and D7100. If there is going to be a D400 it will come this fall at Photokina, if not, it wont.

Nah, the D7000 was the D90 replacement and the D7100 is the D7000 replacement.

Neither of them have the ruggedness or buffer the D300/s had, can't comment about the AF by comparison, but no decent buffer fps or full mag body is enough.

Photobug

They did, they released the D7000 and D7100. If there is going to be a D400 it will come this fall at Photokina, if not, it wont.

+1 PB-PM

+1 spraynpray. Trying to get Nikon to do "something" is like pulling teeth from a Tiger. :-SS

PB_PM

They did, they released the D7000 and D7100. If there is going to be a D400 it will come this fall at Photokina, if not, it wont.

Nah, the D7000 was the D90 replacement and the D7100 is the D7000 replacement.

Neither of them have the ruggedness or buffer the D300/s had, can't comment about the AF by comparison, but no decent buffer fps or full mag body is enough.

Not disagreeing on build/control front, but the reality is that the D300 is a 7 year old camera. The D300s only added video, so I don't really count that. If Nikon does not updated it within the next six months, it's a dead line.