D300s Successor-D400, what and when

snakebunk

If they make the D800 replacement a little faster, maybe 8 fps, then I don't think there will be any reason for me to buy a D400 even if there is one.

Sometimes I wonder though. If there was a D400 with top specs and lets say 24 mp. What would get me the best bird shots, a D400 with a 500/4 or a D800 with a 500/4 + TC1.4?

manhattanboy

The main problem is in the electronic viewfinder. They are getting better and better
so has anyone tried the V3 view finder yet ????

If the EVF was that good then it would be trumpeted as an amazing achievement.

If they make the D800 replacement a little faster, maybe 8 fps, then I don't think there will be any reason for me to buy a D400 even if there is one.

Sometimes I wonder though. If there was a D400 with top specs and lets say 24 mp. What would get me the best bird shots, a D400 with a 500/4 or a D800 with a 500/4 + TC1.4?

The D400 with the 500/4. More light, more pixels, presumably faster focus.

sevencrossing

Sometimes I wonder though. If there was a D400 with top specs and lets say 24 mp. What would get me the best bird shots, a D400 with a 500/4 or a D800 with a 500/4 + TC1.4?

ignoring fps , would it be any diffident to say the D7100 with a 500/4 vs the D800 with a 500/4 + TC1.4?
I think you might get slightly better Dynamic range with the D800
If / when the D810 comes out, you should be better off with that
assuming you have or can afford a nice set of Fx lenses you will be better off with the D800 in many other situations

snakebunk

@manhattanboy: I don't know about more light. A dx camera compared to an fx camera with one stop smaller aperture would bring about the same amount of light on to the sensor.

I think that when you use long tele lenses the benefit of fx over dx is not so obvious. One thing I like about fx over dx on the same 500mm lense is that you simply can fit more on the sensor, and if the pixel density is high you can still crop out the same image as from a dx sensor. Two things I like about dx is that the files are smaller even if the pixel density is the same or higher on dx, and that you can make the cameras with more fps because there is less data to handle.

A D400 that is like a dx version of the D4 is still a great idea even though I am not sure if I would buy it.

scoobysmak

Humm this thread might get a bit more active, blog page posted about a D9300. Could this be the D300s replacement, just when most people called it quits.

How long till I could get my hands on one if the rumor proves to be true, a year? Wonder what the specs will be?

PB_PM

If this rumor does come to fruition then it will have to outclass the D7100 (and also rumored D7200). So it would have to have:

Improved 24MP sensor
Expeed 4
7+ FPS and large buffer
Maybe XQD and CF, rather than CF and SDHC (due to the need for faster file transfers)
Improved movie functionality (aka seen in D4s and D5300 --> 1080p at 60FPS)
Improved auto white balance controls from D610/D4s
Tough D800 style body and pro controls
Higher rated shutter 200k actions

donaldejose

Same AF system as used in the D4s and one stop better high ISO than the D7100.

clskelton

Please have dual UHS-II SD card slots! 250MB/s write speed please!

snakebunk

Wonderful news. I like Nikon again

@PB_PM: Your spec list sounds good. I would like to add super great af system with dedicated button for number of focus points.

manhattanboy

it will have to outclass the D7100 (and also rumored D7200).
Agreed!

Improved 24MP sensor
Doubt it as there have been no new DX sensors from Sony leaked.

Expeed 4
Most certainly.

7+ FPS and large buffer
Most certainly, although I am not sure about the 7 fps number... we could get something like 6-7fps for entire frame and 10 fps for 1.3 crop.

Maybe XQD and CF, rather than CF and SDHC (due to the need for faster file transfers)
Doubt they are this progressive.
Probably CF and SDHC

Improved movie functionality (aka seen in D4s and D5300 --> 1080p at 60FPS)
Most certainly

Improved auto white balance controls from D610/D4s
Most certainly

Tough D800 style body and pro controls
Interesting idea of recycling a D800 body. This is probably something that makes sense from a parts perspective.

Higher rated shutter 200k actions
Not sure, but I hope they have quiet continuous mode.

add super great af system with dedicated button for number of focus points
Improved AF for sure, but the button issue is constrained by the D800 body if they go that route.

rbrylawski

Well, if Nikon comes remotely close to meeting everyone's lofty expectations, you guys better buy these in droves.......

Msmoto

My D400, D9300, or whatever just turned into a used D700 with about 9,000 clicks…… and this is replacing my D90.

PB_PM

Good choice.

Coastalconn

Where do I sign up for the D9300 pre-order You can count me in..

proudgeek

^The line forms right behind me coastal.

ptrmcky

The D90 had the same sensor as the D300, so I guess that the D9300 might come out before the D7200 with the latest sensor.

However the D7xxx line has come a long way since the D90. The buffer still isn't great, but it's now got 6fps, a mostly mag alloy body, and a great AF system. The D9300 would have to have some really impressive specs if it was to keep a similar gap between the two lines of cameras.

manhattanboy

However the D7xxx line has come a long way since the D90. The buffer still isn't great, but it's now got 6fps, a mostly mag alloy body, and a great AF system. The D9300 would have to have some really impressive specs if it was to keep a similar gap between the two lines of cameras.

I agree. However, I doubt Nikon has anything hidden up its sleeve to blow everyone's socks off. Lately they have been all about incremental improvements for increased sales to drive up the near-term bottom line. Most of what the D9300 will be is going to be the expected. Why would Nikon want to put in amazing things when they can put them in one at a time in the D9400, D9500, etc. and just speed up the interval release delivery for profit.

proudgeek

Peter, just out of curiosity, where does this rumor fall on your "reliability meter?"

Msmoto

Well, first off… Peter will never tell…. LOL. But, I think it is just a "rumor" and that as our Administrator knows more it will be shared immediately.

As to the D400….. I am back on the waiting list as the D700 I returned after discovering some issues which require a Nikon service/refurb. But, the D9300 may be exactly what I am looking for.

Sports

Thinking like the marketing guys .... If D9300 is really the name, then it's apparently meant to be in the regular "lineup" or "range" of bodies, and the price tag must be kind of "close" to D7100. That is, below 1800$.
"D400" would put it in another league with more unpredictable pricing.
As "D9300" Nikon hopes it'll become the natural upgrade path for D7xxx owners.
But we want to see something before we believe it, eh?

spraynpray

Maybe they (Nikon) decided to release the D300 replacement after the D600 debacle. It could simply be a desperate attempt to get some extra money in to offset the D600 losses which are not yet known.

manhattanboy

It could simply be a desperate attempt to get some extra money in to offset the D600 losses which are not yet known.

The damage to Nikon's honor and reputation is priceless. :P

Photobug

So happy Peter did not post the D9300 on Tuesday. That would have been a nasty April Fool joke. Good questions proudgeek...what is the reliability meter?

Photobug

Thinking like the marketing guys .... If D9300 is really the name, then it's apparently meant to be in the regular "lineup" or "range" of bodies, and the price tag must be kind of "close" to D7100. That is, below 1800$.
"D400" would put it in another league with more unpredictable pricing.
As "D9300" Nikon hopes it'll become the natural upgrade path for D7xxx owners.
But we want to see something before we believe it, eh?

You are kidding...aren't you on that price. Go take a look at the Df and D4S price and the last few lens redesigns. Now look at the D300S and you really think they are going to price it at $1,800??

proudgeek

Agreed. I know it's not a strict apples-to-apple comparison, but look at the price difference between the D3s and D4, or the 80-400 and 80-400 AF-S. Or look at the price difference between the D7000 and the D7100. I'm guessing north of $2,200, probably closer to $2,400.