D7200 Pre release and early adopters discusion

monographix

if the 7200 is the DX 750 i am settled with it. When the D9300 will be out, IF ever, there will be the dilemma of choosing for the same price between low mileage used D800E, D810 and D9300 ...

Amen for the 400 5.6 VR. I don't see it happening though, i suspect Nikon thinks we already have it by pairing the (new & old) 300 F/4 with the TC-14E III & TC-14E II

Photobug

@monographix - The D9300 will use a DX sensor. I would not hold my breath waiting for this model. The D7200 will be announced by the middle of February according to the rumor on the main blog.

Assume you know that the TC-14E III IS NOT recommended for the old 300 F/4 - only the older TC-14E II is recommended. It's all about clearance.

BUT both the TC-14E III and TC-14E II are recommended for the new 300 F4 PF lens. The TC-14.

monographix

What are the price estimations for the D7200 ?

manhattanboy

What are the price estimations for the D7200 ?

Pricing for Nikon is a wild card.
Somethings are overpriced (like IMHO the 5500), while others seem pretty reasonable (e.g. the new 300f4).
I am hoping that it falls into the reasonable category, but doubt it.

retread

What are the price estimations for the D7200 ?

Price guesses I have seen run from $1200 to $1500. That may be reasonable if it has the right features.

monographix

a 1500 tag would revive my FX migration thoughts (mint used D800E). Or to go for the 7D Mk II. Given the last specs rumours, at that price the 7D MkII would be a better choice for my long tele action oriented use i need the new dslr for. I think when D7100 was out was priced ~1100 ?

bryanD7100

The one feature on the D7200 that would likely sway me is the newer D750/810 AF. The more shots in focus the more you have to work with in Post. Price wise ... sub 1500 .. and inline with what the D7100 came out at.
CP+ Japan ... tick tock

Photobug

What are the price estimations for the D7200 ?

Knowing the price point for the D7100 last September, my bet is the D7300 will be $1300 to $1,350 USD.

manhattanboy

The one feature on the D7200 that would likely sway me is the newer D750/810 AF.

There is not that much difference between the AF of the 7100 and the 750/810/D4S.
Group AF is nice, but only if you are in the select group - no pun intended- that uses it. The speed seems almost the same, and likely is related to the EXPEED and not the AF module. The 7100 has in no way been a laggard at AF acquisition and performance, and I find is more lens limited than AF module limited.
I know that the 7200 is supposed to introduce a new AF module, and I would love to see them steal some innovations from Canon like double cross type points, and wide-split AF points for super high precision AF on fast lenses.

Given the last specs rumours, at that price the 7D MkII would be a better choice for my long tele action oriented use i need the new dslr for.

The 7Dm2 is very tempting but the DR is poorer at low ISO and Canon is rumored to release a newer, higher res crop sensor next month. Nikon won't be able to match the 10fps, but it would be nice if they would improve the shutter...the mechanically quieted and stabilized shutter of the 7Dm2 is impressive and hopefully that technology makes its way into competing products like the 7200.

monographix

Specs wise the 3500 AF module family seems largely similar to have maybe any noticeable performance impact but i am speculating over the in-action AF performance differences i am reading in reviews where its stated that in use the improvements are quite obvious with the D750 currently having the best score

DaveyJ

The D7200 practically has to come in @ $1299. Since many buyers will be just updating for Expeed 4 processor etc., there is just no ability or reason for it to be priced higher based on the projected specs.
Personally I am reviewing the entire DSLR video results in recent years and see almost no advantage with Nikon DSLR except being able to use a fleet of lens I own. Go Pro 4 and many very modest 4K cameras that do video and stills very well with no rolling screen flicker are beginning to make me wonder if the big size of Nikon DSLRs (let alone the touted FX sizes!) are worth the cost. DX cameras are about all I am willing to buy. Get out in many field settings with cold or low light and a D7100 will blow the doors off a D3200 or D3300 or EVEN a D300 which I take out and shoot every now and again just to prove how far beyond the D300 we are now. The space between the D7100 and the D7200 is just about as wide as Nikon can afford to have. Should see a D7200 announcement VERY soon.

Photobug

+1@Daveyj - that announcement is just over the hill. The IQ from the D300 to the D7100 was amazing. Much much better than I had expected.

manhattanboy

Specs wise the 3500 AF module family seems largely similar to have maybe any noticeable performance impact but i am speculating over the in-action AF performance differences i am reading in reviews where its stated that in use the improvements are quite obvious with the D750 currently having the best score

I just want to reiterate that both the AF on the 750/810/D4S and the 7100 are lens limited, really. I shot the 7100 side-by-side with the 810 recently and found that the lens used made the most noticeable difference. I do use group AF as it is less prone to lose focusing off of the subject with movement, but the same results can be achieved if you don't get lazy and keep your frame centered on the 7100. Any improvement in AF is ALWAYS welcome, but I am not expecting miracles at this point. I would rather prefer things like the inclusion of higher precision points over improvements in 3D tracking, which I tend not to use.

heartyfisher

Kind of stumbled on a D7100 and a 18-140 in the shop on display with no one watching over it for a minute (attached to a cable). As its not a side by side comparison, its only a gut feeling but I am quite sure it beats my D7000 by a tiny bit (when used with my 18-140) and its maybe a tinny tiny bit better than my D610 if at all .. Maybe the random setting of the D7100 on the shop floor was to blame for its (lack of) AF speed I was expecting. Looking forward to see the new D7200.

4thebirds

I have to say, you don't get many rumors on this rumors site! Nothing against the Admin of the site... Nikon REALLY keeps a tight lid on things, which really IRKS me! What are they so damn afraid of?? We just have no freaking CLUE about most things, and even the things we DO know remain pretty uncertain only weeks before they finally get announced. Nikon has defied us to guess at even things that make sense... when the time was perfect for a D400, we get... a Df ? When they had given us what seemed like 8 FX bodies in a row, okay, here comes Photokina and we're really due for a good DX body and they keep a tight lid again and wait for it, we get... more FX! Here have a D750! No road map, no rumors, no leaks, no fun.
--Dave

sevencrossing

What are they so damn afraid of??

Their resellers being left with too many D7100 on the shelves
remember most of Joe public does not read NR

4thebirds

Well that's a very good point I guess. Sigh... But if they have lots of D7100's on the shelves weeks before the D7200 announcement, its their own fault and I have to think it doesn't bother them that much because they seem to have a habit of doing that. We always have a choice between the most current body and a very similar previous model still available, or the previous to the previous model.
Dave

squoop

Maybe there wouldn't be so many D7100's still on the shelf if they had given it a decent buffer. Being stopped in the middle of an action sequence by a crippled buffer, is quite frustrating. Hopefully the D7200's buffer will be more adequate. Also hope for the quiet continuous shutter, and of course more FPS. As for autofocus I too would like to see them steal some of Canons recent innovations.

Photobug

I was in the local dealer today asking about the new 300mm F4 PF and the D5500. (Receiving them next week) I noticed he had a few new in box D7100 and I asked if hew was concerned about the demand for the D7200 next month making it hard to sell the D7100. I got the comment I had expected, "we don't know anything about a D7200 and therefore can't sell a D7200 but we can sell you a D7100. The D7200 is vapor ware!"

He and I have this conversation every time a new model is coming out. He was not concerned about his small inventory of D7100's.

Ironheart

I do wish Nikon would give a roadmap of lens releases. Especially new lenses that don't replace old ones. Like new DX lenses they will need to make for the D400 :-)

Photobug

I do wish Nikon would give a roadmap of lens releases. Especially new lenses that don't replace old ones. Like new DX lenses they will need to make for the D400 :-)

Oh another "dreamer". Get over it...there will be no D400. Sorry, but that is my opinion and a few others on here.

I do agree with you regarding DX lens. However, a road map of new releases helps the serious buyer but would hurt sales of the older model to be replaced resulting in higher inventories. Again, IMHO.

Ironheart

My smiley face indicated I was making a joke :P which I guess obscured my main point about new lenses that aren't replacing an existing one. For instance, the 20mm f/1.8, Nikon could have pre-announced.

heartyfisher

I think there was a legal precedent some time ago that restricts the bigger manufacturers from publishing a "roadmap" as it restricts competition. Can you imagine the effect of sales of say a new sigma 135 if as soon as its available Nikon and canon announces a roadmap with a 135 with better specs ? Its not just camera manufacturers that have this restriction on them .. most of the Major players in whatever industry has this constraint.

Ironheart

Not in my industry, the manufacturers publish 2-3 year roadmaps on all of the products and technology.

manhattanboy

I think there was a legal precedent some time ago that restricts the bigger manufacturers from publishing a "roadmap" as it restricts competition. Can you imagine the effect of sales of say a new sigma 135 if as soon as its available Nikon and canon announces a roadmap with a 135 with better specs ? Its not just camera manufacturers that have this restriction on them .. most of the Major players in whatever industry has this constraint.

Most manufacturers don't publish roadmaps, but it probably has more to do with limiting their current sales then wanting to keep competition alive. Moreover in the tech industry it is actually hard to publish decent roadmaps as the products rapidly evolve. Regardless, Nikon probably is not publishing a roadmap because they are terrible at managing their stock. Apple at least restricts supply prior to a new product launch... Nikon if they were smart would have stopped 7100 production awhile back and shifted around the globe the residual supplies to even out areas of need... but that would have also required them not to have an overly restrictive serial number system that is locked per region...