D7200 Pre release and early adopters discusion

spraynpray

First decide which format, DX or FX. Suggest you consider the following:
D7200
17-55mm F2.8 wide angle zoom
35mm 1.8 prime lens
2 UV filters
Some of the accessories identified in the NRF Accessory forum
"L" bracket for the tripod

If your money won't spread that far, ditch the fine 17-55 and get the 18-200mm lens.

I'd stretch out my budget by getting the third party lenses (Mainly Sigma) I know they have 17-55mm f2.8 for $670.

Be careful you don't stretch your budget at the expense of quality. The pixel density of the D7100 and later will give mediocre lenses a chance to really disappoint.

nukuEX2

Be careful you don't stretch your budget at the expense of quality. The pixel density of the D7100 and later will give mediocre lenses a chance to really disappoint.

But I've seen Sigma lens reviews and they were all good. Now if I can find Sigma 50-150mm f2.8... (

heartyfisher

If the D7200 is a minor "tweak" than I would expect sales to be good. But if it's a significant improvement sales are going to be really high. Guess we have to wait and see what Nikon does.

Let me have half a poke at the specs :-)
its been 2 years since the D7100 has been released .. that's more that 1 generation of IT tech, close to 1.5 generation. so You should expect double the processor speed at least (which we see in the Expeed V4)
we know Expeed4 software also increases ISO by at least 1/2 EV from what we see in the D750 over the D610)
The higher processor speed should also increase AF speed.
Now to the sensor. 2 years of sensor improvements should also improve the DR and high ISO over the D7100. so in combination with the expeed4 it should be close to but behind the D750. I would expect it to have D750 like performance less 2/3 EV performance in High ISO and DR.

That would make it almost as good as the D810 and D610. I am hoping that that is correct :-) I am probably setting myself up for disappointment :-)

Photobug

First decide which format, DX or FX. Suggest you consider the following:
D7200
17-55mm F2.8 wide angle zoom
35mm 1.8 prime lens
2 UV filters
Some of the accessories identified in the NRF Accessory forum
"L" bracket for the tripod
If your money won't spread that far, ditch the fine 17-55 and get the 18-200mm lens.

I'd stretch out my budget by getting the third party lenses (Mainly Sigma) I know they have 17-55mm f2.8 for $670.

Be careful with with picking 3rd party lens. They make really good lens, average lens, and that other category. Check out DxO and compare it to the Nikon equivalent and read the well respected reviewers like Nasim Mansurov (photographylife.com). Spraynpray said it well in the last paragraph of his post.

I agree that Tamron and Sigma makes some really good lens and you can save some money. Just do your research.

Photobug

Let me have half a poke at the specs :-)
its been 2 years since the D7100 has been released .. that's more that 1 generation of IT tech, close to 1.5 generation. so You should expect double the processor speed at least (which we see in the Expeed V4)
we know Expeed4 software also increases ISO by at least 1/2 EV from what we see in the D750 over the D610)
The higher processor speed should also increase AF speed.
Now to the sensor. 2 years of sensor improvements should also improve the DR and high ISO over the D7100. so in combination with the expeed4 it should be close to but behind the D750. I would expect it to have D750 like performance less 2/3 EV performance in High ISO and DR.

That would make it almost as good as the D810 and D610. I am hoping that that is correct :-) I am probably setting myself up for disappointment :-)
@heartyfisher - all your points are logical and if your correct, Nikon is going to sell a lot of the D7200. It will cause a lot of D7100 owners, me included, to pause and think do we need those improvements. Then again, if they implement half of those improvements, lots of people are going to be satisfied and it is going to sell well. I just don't think you will see a lot of D7100 owners upgrading to the D7200 with only some of those improvements. Your right, you and others will be disappointed.

If the D7200 moves ahead of the D5500 and approaches the D750 in IQ...wow. Lots of people will be elated. I really think Nikon could do everything you stated above, my question...will they do it?

jimh12345

As a D7000 user I should be salivating for the D7200. But in the interim I acquired a Sony a6000. The small size and weight of the mirrorless are impossible to give up, but there are also major advantages to the DSLR. Both an a7000 and a D7200 are strongly rumored for this year, and if both represent major upgrades with similar sensor quality, I'll be a major fork in the road.

Photobug

Not a lot to do jimh12345 when your at a fork in the road but investigate more, and make a list of Pros and Cons on paper. Perhaps that will help. Just realize you need to open your wallet once the decision is made. )

JonMcGuffin

I think the idea/thought that somehow the D7200 is going to approach the D750 in ISO IQ is far far far from the truth.

We've clearly hit a kind of plateau in terms of high ISO performance with modern day sensors/technology. We are still talking about a smaller sensor with a lot of pixels packed in there. We didn't see much improvement from the D7000 to the D7100 (I owned both) and that was with a MP bump. The D700 I own now still wipes the floor ISO wise over the D7100 and it will likely still be far ahead of the D7200.

Yes, the ISO on crops has gotten much better and no doubt the D7200 will likely take a small step forward but it's all mostly software tricks I think at this point. Tuning the RAW processing engine, etc. FF will always have a solid 1-stop advantage over crop.

heartyfisher

well D7000 vs D7100 we have a member here that says its almost a 2 stop improvement :-)

spraynpray

I couldn't possibly say as I haven't tested the D700 against my D7100 although given that there is maybe two stops (definitely not more) between my D7100 and D750, I would be surprised but I've never owned a D700 and the larger pixels may be better at gathering photons in the dark.
Note that the nature of noise in really dark conditions isn't the same as shooting in - say - somewhat overcast conditions and boosting the ISO to hold a high shutter speed for sport for instance. Low light (night) shooting is hard and it isn't just the amount of noise that matters, but the nature of it. The colour noise present in a D7000 really makes it's presence felt after ISO1600 whereas two stops on there is almost none with the D7100.

Whatever secret sauce Nikon use in the D7100 is similar to the D750 in that the noise increases without so much colour noise in both models. If the D7200 finds a stop over the D7100 I will be surprised, but then I was surprised when I tested the D7000 against the D7100 - I expected little difference, but found such a huge difference I went out and bought one.

Capt_Spaulding

Really interesting. I'm sitting on a D5100 at the moment. It will do some very cool things. (Bearing in mind that my previous equipment consisted of Minolta SR-Ts and X series bodies and a couple of Rolleicord IVs). If the D7200 is as good as it could be, I'll preorder one. If it's not I'm in for a 7100.

Photobug

Really interesting. I'm sitting on a D5100 at the moment. It will do some very cool things. (Bearing in mind that my previous equipment consisted of Minolta SR-Ts and X series bodies and a couple of Rolleicord IVs). If the D7200 is as good as it could be, I'll preorder one. If it's not I'm in for a 7100.

By the time Popular photography and other individual test the D7200, you will be able to walk into a store and walk out with one. No waiting on preorders.

So tell us about what you shoot and what lens you have.

retread

I am also sitting on a D5100 and ready to upgrade but waiting to see what a D7200 may be. If not a big upgrade I can pass. I want the Nikon 7D II answer but don't expect that. If I move on to FX I will come back for that.

I am looking hard ant the Tokina 11-20 to see what it is. Glass comes first. It is seldom outdated. But my 24-70 is less than a year old and seems a replacement is in the air. I can pass on that easy as the mine woks fine and still will for years to come.

Capt_Spaulding

@Photobug, I do mostly landscapes and some motorsports with some low level portraits and wildlife thrown in as well. Lens wise, at present I have the kit 18-55DX, an FX 50 1.4G, and an FX 70-300 4.5 - 5.6G. I used to shoot the above, plus some airshows, a bit of macro, and some widefield astro photos when I regularly used my Minolta film bodies. So, everything from very close to very far. I still have a small stable of lenses in Rokkor MC/MD mounts. A 24 2.8 MD - X, several 50s of various descriptions, a 100 MC-X macro (with tubes), a 135 2.8 MC-X, a 200 2.8 MD-X, and a 300 4.5 MD-X.

So far, the short end of the 18-55 has a field of view I'm pretty happy with and at a 35mm equivalent of 450mm the long end of the 70-300 is about all I can reasonably hand hold. I would like a bit more than either offers in the sharpness department but neither is really problematic. I don't know that I really need more speed from either. My near term wish list for my 5100 contains a 60mm macro and an 85 1.8 and maybe something shortish to normal (20 - 28) and reasonably fast for night skies.

monographix

Where are the D7200 leaks ? .... *taping fingers*

Photobug

Think about selling or trading that 18-55DX lens for a 17-140mm DX lens. It's sharper than your 18-55 and is a more universal walking around lens. The 60mm macro is a good lens. Personally I prefer the 105mm since it allows you more space between the subject and front of the lens. Check it out at a dealer and you will see what I mean.

@monographix - +1...where are the D7200 leaks.
This lack of leaks has me thinking Nikon has delayed the D7200 to add or improve some function of the camera due to the 7DMKII.

retread

@monographix - +1...where are the D7200 leaks.
This lack of leaks has me thinking Nikon has delayed the D7200 to add or improve some function of the camera due to the 7DMKII.

Lets hope it is worth the wait.

Coastalconn

Here is a random rumor that popped up yesterday. Seems a bit goofy, especially the 72 point AF system.. http://www.diyphotography.net/rumor-nikon-announce-d7200-cp-next-week-heres-compares-d7100/ strange that they cite NR, but specs are quite different. I would welcome 8 fps and iso 50-51.2K..

Photobug

I sure don't put much faith intp that rumor @Coastalconn. I'll stay with Peter's post. Some of the data looks good but 8 fps and 72 AF points. Nah. Until it is posted here, then I will believe it.

Coastalconn

Yah, I don't either. I can't imagine Nikon would be so proactive and upgrade a camera so much in 1 generation I would actually pre-order a camera with those specs.. I'm sure the D7100 will just be a warmed over d7100 with a tilty screen.. Looks like I will be shooting my ospreys with the d800 this summer...

PB_PM

The 72 af points is likely a typo. They most likely meant to put 51.

monographix

i'd give zero credibility to this specific set of rumored specs.

Hmmm you say possibility of merging 7200 / 9300 in one model to compete the 7D MkII ("D400") instead of just making a D7100 replacement as DX version of D750?

retread

Aaaah lets just skip the 7200 and go straight to the 9300 and make it the DX version of the D810.

Capt_Spaulding

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll add that to the list.

Photobug

Aaaah lets just skip the 7200 and go straight to the 9300 and make it the DX version of the D810.

Of course there is a big problem with this recommendation....there is NO D9300. The D7200 or soon to be released D7200 is the way to go. You can't buy "vapor DSLR" but you can buy what dealers are selling. )