D850

spraynpray

Does look like it could be some kind of release mechanism for the hot shoe so it can be replaced with an EVF...

Doesn't anybody remember when the D800 came out and how outraged people were when their lenses were no longer sharp enough? 60Mp is likely to start that all over again isn't it? My guess is that less Mp than that is more likely.

snakebunk

@spraynpray: I agree with almost everything you say . I am a little worried that we'll get 60 mp and that we are back to 4 fps. I much rather have 45 mp and 6 fps.

DenverShooter

spraynpray said:

Does look like it could be some kind of release mechanism for the hot shoe so it can be replaced with an EVF...

Doesn't anybody remember when the D800 came out and how outraged people were when their lenses were no longer sharp enough? 60Mp is likely to start that all over again isn't it? My guess is that less Mp than that is more likely.

I was talking to my favorite Nikon "pusher" a couple days ago about the 850 and at the end of the day the question for me becomes: Do I make that investment and potentially run out of len resolution or do I make the move to PhaseOne IQ3 100...

Denver Shooter

PB_PM

Latest rumour on the main page, no hybrid/EFV. Sorry kids, AP is a chump, as usual. But hey, most likely an shooting speed higher than 8FPS.

snakebunk

8 fps or more would be very good.

donaldejose

AP isn't a chump. The idea would be great if it would work and if Nikon could do it. AP just confused "good reasons" to do this possible thing with "factual evidence" upon which solid assumptions can be made and then upon which a conclusion can be drawn. I hope Nikon does implement this idea sometime if it is possible to do so. Some high tech homes have a TV behind a bathroom mirror so you can watch the news or weather as you get ready in the morning. It should be able to do with a pentaprism as AP suggests.

Vipmediastar_JZ

CEBlueclouds said:

PB_PM said:

Still don't see a button. There are some bumps where the plastic housing for the top plate and side meet, but that's about it.

The two round holes are the same size as the ones on the front. Could simply be rear facing microphones. Guess we'll know when Nikon tells us what's really going on.

PB_PM, I have drawn a red circle around the area i am referring to. I don't know what it is; just observing that it looks like some kind of switch or lever...

You guys should do a CSI Enhance Enhance Enhance on this photo and also is that a 58mm 1.4 lens?

heartyfisher

" It should be able to do with a pentaprism as AP suggests"

Dont think its ap's idea at all .. nikon patented it a few years back.. I looked at the patent.. at that time. It was interesting. what did i think? well I thought its a cool idea but,
1) lots of electronics for very little extra functionality so may be hard to justify.
2) resolution needed would be extremely difficult to achieve (at that time.. even now) so the screen will be expensive. (the physical screen needed to be very small to fit in the pentaprism housing area.)
3) course resolution possible but that will only provide on screen text or info not image enhancements. eg grid lines, faces identified, horizon, etc etc ....
4) Nice but will take quite a few years for tech to advance to a good cost benefit level.
5) better to have the current grid lines enhanced to colour lcd.

donaldejose

I don't see why it could not be as good as Sony's EVF? If Sony can do it why cannot Nikon just do it also?

PB_PM

For it to work, you end up with Sony's failed SLT system. Darker viewfinder, due to extra LCD/OLED panel between the light and the eye. A few years back I made a post about hybrid viewfinders , because I thought it was a good idea. Of course, some felt that there was no point, because pure electronic viewfinders were better. That is somewhat debatable, but I suspect that is likely why Nikon never went ahead with those patented designs.

donaldejose

Yes, if you put a LCD/OLED panel between the light and the eye. But the AP idea was to put a small LCD on one of the pentaprism surfaces with a mirrored or blackout surface when off so when it was off the pentaprism operated normally and you lost no light. When it was on you viewed only the LCD/OLED panel through the pentaprism. You didn't view both at the same time. You viewed either 100% OVF or 100% EVF. It just gives you a choice. It seems to me that would not cause any loss of light.

PB_PM

Kind of defeats the purpose of having a hybrid system in my mind. Liveview already does that, for all intensive purposes.

henrik1963

My good old D800 is not preventing me from taking the pictures I want.

From what I see a D850 will not let me take pictures I can not make with a D800. What I see is more of the same - more MP, more speed - nothing of real value.

It would be nice with some real innovation.

Sorry to be such a party-pooper.

PB_PM

By that metric Nikon hasn't innovated anything since the original D1 was realased.
, other than live view with the D3 and video being add with the D90. Let's be fair, there isn't much room to innovate in the SLR space. On the software side Nikon could improve, but it's not exactly their strength.

What do you want them to do, implant super hot digital models into the picture so you don't have to hire one?

rmp

I like the hot model implant idea. It would help my photos.

donaldejose

Yes, liveview in the viewfinder with focus peaking and electronic shutter. That would be a nice option for many reasons, including What You See is What You Get, easy to see in bright sunlight, focus peaking with manual focus lenses, etc. Put all the Great Sony mirrorless features right in the viewfinder as an option. Perhaps calling it a hybrid system is a misnomer. The idea would be to offer the user a choice of either or through the viewfinder; not both at the same time.

heartyfisher

"The idea would be to offer the user a choice of either or through the viewfinder; not both at the same time."

I think the nikon patent is both at the same time. but I may be wrong...

donaldejose

Hearty, I think you are right; the patent seems to be for both at the same time and the EVF screen in the light path from the pentaprism which would dull the image through the OVF. AP prediction was that Nikon moved the EVF to cover the front side of the pentaprism and placed a blackout glass in front of it. When the EVF was blacked out the OVF functioned normally. With the mirror locked up and the EVF turned on the user saw only an EVF through the eyepiece. If Nikon would make AP's idea work it would be a very nice option to have.

henrik1963

PB_PM: Having a D1 or a D2 would prevent me from taking the pictures I want. A D3/D700 would take care of most of my needs. The D800 was in many ways a game changer - it moved the bare so far that most people does not need any more in terms of resolution and the rest of what the D800 has to offer.

The camera - D800 - can make stunning pictures and video.

What we need is a different way of interacting with all that capability. Most will get lost trying to figure out what a D800 can really do.

I have been traveling with both my cameras this summer - Fuji XT-1 and a D800.

The Fuji is no match for the D800 in terms of capabilities - in terms of what it can really do. But the Fuji is so easy and fun to use - so easy to turn in to a picture taking machine. So easy to move alle the pictures from the camera to your phone or iPad.

9 out of 10 times i reached for the Fuji this summer - the Fuji is all you will ever need to take good holiday pictures. And it is easy to make a sunset look good - a flower pop and so on. With the D800 you will have to work harder to get good looking pictures.

Nikon needs to make it as fun and easy to work with the next iteration of the D800 as it is to "play" with the Fuji. That is what I want.

Pistnbroke

Well henrik it looks like you are going to get another load of SSDD in the 850....horrible pro controls,maybe 10 fps and a touch screen for your nose .
AP said nikon were not fools .Well he was wrong on that .If they had just presented the camera in a straight forward way with the spec we could have been happy . Now its just the camera that never was

paulr

Whatever the spec of the D850 I will be having one. Decision made, and this time I will keep my D810 has a back-up!

PB_PM

Pistnbroke said:

Well henrik it looks like you are going to get another load of SSDD in the 850....horrible pro controls,maybe 10 fps and a touch screen for your nose .
AP said nikon were not fools .Well he was wrong on that .If they had just presented the camera in a straight forward way with the spec we could have been happy . Now its just the camera that never was

Yes, because it's Nikon's fault that people have wild and unrealistic expectations...

snakebunk

@henrik1963: The D850 is a continuation of the D810 so I don't think it is strange if it is more of the same, I actually think it is a good thing. But can you give an example of a specification that would make you more happy and that fits in the D8XX line of cameras? I am interested.

donaldejose

Maybe Nikon isn't releasing all the specs because they are not yet final. But I am hoping they are and Nikon is already producing the camera to build up a good inventory before announcing the full details and releasing the camera into the market.

henrik1963

snakebunk: In terms of "specification" the D800 is a fantastic camera - the D810 is better and I am sure the D850 will be even better.

When using the Fuji I can get very close to finished jpegs in camera - I shoot RAW + JPEG - but most of the time I dont need to manipulate the RAWs.

When shooting D800 I have to work harder to get to finished JPEGs. I want a different way to interact with the camera.