NIKON...MIRROR LESS NOW WITH FIRMWARE UPDATE

mhedges

Yeah those battery life reports are concerning, but I would like to see confirmation, since I haven't seen battery life numbers anywhere else. I'm hoping the actual numbers are similar to the A7III.

Pistnbroke

10min is enough ?? you joke ..ever been to a full Catholic Wedding with Mass/Greek or Muslim.
My Olympus has an eye sensor that switches LCD to viewfinder . I just tape up the eye sensor and the LCD does not come on except for menus and the battery life is much extended..viewfinder only if you like .
Chelsea and Tony are having a hands on in NY in the next couple of days so that should answer some questions.

WestEndFoto

Pistnbroke said:

10min is enough ?? you joke ..ever been to a full Catholic Wedding with Mass/Greek or Muslim.
My Olympus has an eye sensor that switches LCD to viewfinder . I just tape up the eye sensor and the LCD does not come on except for menus and the battery life is much extended..viewfinder only if you like .
Chelsea and Tony are having a hands on in NY in the next couple of days so that should answer some questions.

Whats really getting on my tits is you americans calling it the Zeeeeee 7

Well, I am Canadian, but I like Americans and my great grandparents left Europe and landed in New York before my grandfather came to Canada, so I don't mind.

And if you give my comments a close read, you will see that I used words like "many" and "most", not "all". Your wedding example is a good example where you will want a DSLR if there is really a ten minute life to the battery (what was the source of this btw?).

tc88

Vipmediastar_JZ said:

From the NikonUSA page these lens work with the Z body https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/camera-lenses/dslr-lenses/index.page

PB_PM

mhedges said:

Yeah those battery life reports are concerning, but I would like to see confirmation, since I haven't seen battery life numbers anywhere else. I'm hoping the actual numbers are similar to the A7III.

It’s not a surprise, all mirrorless cameras have poor battery life compaired to modern DSLRs, don’t know what people were expecting. The grip with extra batteries will surely help. If Nikon had been smart they would have allowed charging over USB so you could use external battery packs, but that might hurt sales numbers for EN-EL15s, so that was a pipe dream.

WestEndFoto

I have been thinking about the adapter. The IBIS may also deal with some of the issues that come with adapters, so that is also good.

HankB

Pistnbroke said:

One card slot and the price has killed it for me ...Silent mode ..no news yet

12 fps indicates no silent mode..thats a shutter without a mirror.

Perhaps...hopefully they have a new ultra-quiet mechanical shutter like Leica supposedly has. And that would address the rolling shutter problem until electronic shutters are fully perfected.

Single card slot is just plain stupid. No excuse here.

A battery grip bringing size and weight up to DSLR territory will address the battery life issue, albeit at a co$t and requiring packing another charger.

WestEndFoto

PB_PM said:

mhedges said:

Yeah those battery life reports are concerning, but I would like to see confirmation, since I haven't seen battery life numbers anywhere else. I'm hoping the actual numbers are similar to the A7III.

It’s not a surprise, all mirrorless cameras have poor battery life compaired to modern DSLRs, don’t know what people were expecting. The grip with extra batteries will surely help. If Nikon had been smart they would have allowed charging over USB so you could use external battery packs, but that might hurt sales numbers for EN-EL15s, so that was a pipe dream.

They do allow charging over USB. Read Nikon's A7 page. However, you cannot use the camera while doing that. However, Nikon has another solution that may solve some of the problems that you are worrying about:


http://en.nikon.ca/nikon-products/product/power-packs/ep-5b-power-supply-connector.html

sport

They said during the presentation last night that they are working on an external battery. Waiting to see what the real world results are.

tc88

WestEndFoto said:

I also find it interesting that it is manual focus. I think that this may be because Nikon is running into some limitations for sensor based auto-focus. Thom has observed that Sony mirrorless cameras are quick to focus, but when shooting at 1.4 in continuous mode often miss focus in a way that would not be an issue when shooting at f/4.0, but are a "little off" at 1.4. At 0.95, this issue must be more of a challenge.

Well, that seals it for me and I can stop dreaming of having it. Looks like Nikon is trying to make another bragging item than anything else. Maybe there are technical difficulties, like too much bokeh or not enough sharpness wide open. But we are already in 2018 and I don't care owning new MF lens at this point.

tc88

sport said:

They said during the presentation last night that they are working on an external battery. Waiting to see what the real world results are.

They are working on a grip which should allow an additional battery, just like all other Nikon grips.

mhedges

According to Hogan the FTZ adapter does NOT have a motor for screw drive AF. Or an aperture coupling link for manual focus lenses. Which doen't really bother me, but it seemed like they were advertising it as giving AE and AF for nearly all Nikkor lenses. Did I miss something?

snakebunk

If I understand it correctly the adapter has a motor for aperture control but lacks a motor for af. So, only old lenses with screw drive af are not supported.

HankB

"nearly all" may be marketing-speak for
"nearly all Nikkor lenses sold in the last _______ years".

When was the last screw drive sold, or at least overlapped by introduction of an AF-S version?

mhedges

I thought the same but there are still quite a few screw drive lenses in Nikon’s current offerings.

boiski

HankB said:

When was the last screw drive sold

Nikon currently is still selling:

• AF Fisheye-Nikkor 16mm f/2.8D
  
• AF Micro-Nikkor 200mm f/4D IF-ED
  
• AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f/2.8D
  
• AF DC-Nikkor 105mm f/2D
  
• AF DC-Nikkor 135mm f/2D
  
• AF Nikkor 180mm f/2.8D IF-ED
  
• AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D
  
• AF Nikkor 28mm f/2.8D
  
• AF Nikkor 35mm f/2D
  
• AF Nikkor 24mm f/2.8D
  
• AF Nikkor 14mm f/2.8D ED
  
• AF Nikkor 20mm f/2.8D
  

I'm not sure which of these are still actively being produced though.

mhedges

Just ordered a Z6 kit from Adorama. I figure I can always cancel, right? Kind of nice that the Z7 will be out first - there will be plenty of time for folks to have it in hand before having to commit to the Z6.

Symphotic

mhedges said:

Just ordered a Z6 kit from Adorama. I figure I can always cancel, right? Kind of nice that the Z7 will be out first - there will be plenty of time for folks to have it in hand before having to commit to the Z6.

Well, I ordered a Z7 from BanH, so you may well get your Z6 first. BanH is notoriously slow, but we have an account there.

HankB

According to Ken Rockwell (I presume an accurate source of esoteric minutia) the AF-I lenses came out in 1992 and the AF-S in 1998. So the screw drive lenses began to be replaced over 20 years ago.

I have never used a screw drive but kind of thought it was quite primitive and that anyone buying one was placing auto-focus well down below price in priorities for that particular purchase. To the extent that view is correct, Z mount adapters not supporting the screw mount doesn't seem like a major loss. And not supporting screw mount makes sense for so many reasons (unlike the stupidity of having only one memory card slot)

Vipmediastar_JZ

here is a review of the Z7

http://www.rossharvey.com/reviews/nikon-z7-review

Symphotic

Vipmediastar_JZ said:

here is a review of the Z7

http://www.rossharvey.com/reviews/nikon-z7-review

Thanks for posting the review. It made me happier about the 35 1.8. I was thinking "1.8?" why not 1.4?" But I remember my old Contax Zeiss lenses were always a half stop slower but made for far prettier photos than the faster alternatives. For $800 I'll give it a shot.

PB_PM

WestEndFoto said:

They do allow charging over USB. Read Nikon's A7 page. However, you cannot use the camera while doing that. However, Nikon has another solution that may solve some of the problems that you are worrying about:

http://en.nikon.ca/nikon-products/product/power-packs/ep-5b-power-supply-connector.html

Not being able to charge with the camera is on makes charging over USB the way I proposed not possible. As for the adapter, those have always been around, and are equally useless if you are outdoors away from plugs, without other bulky equipment that is.

Vipmediastar_JZ

While they are not 1.4 like the Sigma Art but if quality is up there then I can understand their price point vs the current nikon 50mm 1.4/1.8

mhedges

PB_PM said:

WestEndFoto said:

They do allow charging over USB. Read Nikon's A7 page. However, you cannot use the camera while doing that. However, Nikon has another solution that may solve some of the problems that you are worrying about:

http://en.nikon.ca/nikon-products/product/power-packs/ep-5b-power-supply-connector.html

Not being able to charge with the camera is on makes charging over USB the way I proposed not possible. As for the adapter, those have always been around, and are equally useless if you are outdoors away from plugs, without other bulky equipment that is.

Well it would still be technically possible but you would just have to take a break while charging. I see what you are saying.

Can the Sonys be used while charging? I'm not sure how that would work given that USB is 5 volts and these cameras run at about 7 volts.

NSXTypeR

I think even if you discount the limit on video length, that battery is seriously concerning even if you shoot only stills. I remember I can get away with 1 battery when I go on vacation if I make sure to top off my battery every couple of days or so. If it's 330 shots or so, I can chew through that in a day or sooner if I'm being particularly trigger happy.