D850

BVS

PeachBlack said:

It's also likely that pushing the processor like this comes at some cost. Remember, Nikon developed an entirely new chip for the D500 that by most accounts isn't quite as good as the 24mp chip that it could've easily recycled. With 20.9mp at 10fps, we get only 209mp/s. Why did Nikon do this? It's hard to say

I wonder if power/battery concerns had a part in this. D500 already needs a quality battery with a specific discharge profile. Going to 24mp would have increased power needs even more and probably exceeded what the battery is capable of. D5 has access to more juice with its additional batteries.

PeachBlack

BVS said:

The problem is though, if Nikon goes 60mp@4fps the camera becomes more of a specialist model 5DSR.

Remember, the original D800 launched with 4fps, and that didn't stop people from getting super excited. I don't know, 50mp/5fps does seem to be a good compromise.

And of course all of this assumes that production of such chips is actually near, and that if they are, that Nikon could actually get their hands on them.

donaldejose

Right. Chip and processor availability will determine what fps Nikon selects. For their high mp body Nikon will probably use the highest mp chip it can get at the price point even though fps are slow. Nikon will also use the best processor it can get at the price point. The combination if those two items will determine fps. I doubt Nikon would first set a goal for fps and then let that goal determine mp and processors. Giving fps high priority is done with the D5, their high fps body. The D820 or D900 will be their high mp body running at whatever fps the available hardware allows.

heartyfisher

Max FPS of the D5 is 14 fps not 12.
therefore..
.. 42mp : 6.7 fps
.. 60mp : 4.7 fps

framer

I just want good built in WIFI that can sent an image to a phone with a push of a button or if connected to a server upload the image with a push of a button. It need to be fast and energy efficient.

Having it being able to connect to 4G and send to anywhere is best, at the push of a button.

I don't want much do I.

Rx4Photo

I bypassed the 810 primarily because I couldn't afford another $3000+ camera within 3 years and secondarily because I thought I'd still be in a happy place with the D800 - and I was and still am. But lately I've been progressively interested in the Sony mirrorless high end line. Second to that I've been eyeballing the Fuji mirrorless line as well for a more compact camera. I don't think a huge megapixel increase from Nikon would impress me that much. I also don't think more frames per second would sway me either. So, for Nikon to receive more of my money they'd have to seriously blow me away somehow. So we'll see...

retread

heartyfisher said:

Max FPS of the D5 is 14 fps not 12.
therefore..
.. 42mp : 6.7 fps
.. 60mp : 4.7 fps

So then 50mp should put us near 5.7 fps.

PeachBlack

framer said:

I just want good built in WIFI that can sent an image...

I can't imagine using wifi to download photos, especially if file sizes increase. Keep in mind at best, wifi is about 1/5 as fast as an SD card reader, and it already takes me a very long time to download a photoshoot. I think downloading an entire photoshoot over wifi would take all day. Imagine if the files are 50% larger? Plus it's clogging your bandwidth.

I think there's a reason why wifi is on lower end cameras, but I suppose if you only shoot a few photos at a time and in JPG it would be ok.

And I'm with @Rx4Photo ...

framer

I'm not saying download everything. I want a button to push if I see something I want sent NOW. Good WIFI is getting fast.

Would it not be cool that you get that newsworthy shot to be able to send it as it happens at a push of a button?

framer

PeachBlack

I'm not saying that WIFI is not without its uses. Once in a while a model will ask me to shoot the screen so that they can post it on their instagram, so maybe I could send them one... as long as I could send it in super low resolution. It's just not something that's going to sell a lot of extra cameras.

And the numbers I quoted were for the best wifi. If you have an older standard or a bad connection, it's worse.

BVS

Is it possible to plug the camera directly into a phone using a USB cable? If so, carrying a small cable in your pocket to connect and download to phone whenever you need would seem like a fairly simple solution.

heartyfisher

retread said:

heartyfisher said:

Max FPS of the D5 is 14 fps not 12.
therefore..
.. 42mp : 6.7 fps
.. 60mp : 4.7 fps

So then 50mp should put us near 5.7 fps.

LOL ! 5.684

retread

heartyfisher said:

retread said:

heartyfisher said:

Max FPS of the D5 is 14 fps not 12.
therefore..
.. 42mp : 6.7 fps
.. 60mp : 4.7 fps

So then 50mp should put us near 5.7 fps.

LOL ! 5.684

Close enough for me.

Ironheart

http://nikonrumors.com/2017/01/27/rumors-nikon-d810-no-longer-in-production.aspx/

The first domino falls...

WestEndFoto

I predict 60 megapixels.

rmp

Why 60?

PeachBlack

I predict 48.4 megapixels.

WestEndFoto

Beat Canon.

[Deleted User]

Though unrealistic, I would like to see a 72mp ff Nikon option at perhaps half the cost of the new Hasselblad or Fujinon MF with a contemporaneous release of updated 1.4 lenses (24, 35, 85), all closer to Otus quality . There is, however, a law of diminishing returns with squeezing more pixels onto a FF sensor, at least within the limited sphere of my understanding of current technology. This would be for studio and landscape shooters.
The desire would be an image maker which eliminates my desire for MF altogether. An update of the older T/S lenses would also be requested.
The DSLR would have an option to dumb down the resolution to 36MP without having to downsample using out of camera SW, while retaining FF format.
With slightly tweaked DR and further improvements of color accuracy, and 5fps at 72MP and 6-7 at 36MP, this would be a "camera forever".

I hate the thought of investing in a new MF system if I can get comparable results with FF. The current Canon 50MP offering is not convincing enough to change FF systems.

manhattanboy

PeachBlack said:

Let's just be clear: there is NO way that Nikon is going to put a more advanced AF system into a D8xx than is in its flagship. The best we can hope for is that it isn't worse; indeed, it's extremely unlikely that anything non-sensor related will beat their flagship camera. Nikon pretty much always develops something for the flagship and then lets it filter down eventually while it works on new stuff for the flagship.

What I want is a Nikon 7RII, but I don't think anyone sees that happening. Plus a mirrorless would probably have a different naming convention, like a Dm800 or something. It's probably not what you want, but at least it would be something exciting and nominally innovative.

We can throw out all the wish-lists we want, though, but we already know what it's likely to be: a camera similar to the D500 in functionality and design, with a larger sensor and an fps around five or six.

This is spot on.
And I too want a Nikon 7RII, but in F-mount so I can use the existing glass. I rented the Sony a7rii for about two months and really liked it, but it needs Nikon's or Canon's user interface and controls to be a daily driver. The D500 was my last DSLR; mirrorless it is going forward whenever it is ready.

vtc2002

One of two things will happen with the D810 upgrade.
The first would be Nikon has spent a lot of time and developed a excellent upgrade for the D810 so that it stays as one of their flagship cameras. Hopefully it would have many of the things on our wish list and then some.
The second is that they have spent the majority of their development on releasing one or two new cameras for the 100 year anniversary and the D810 gets a minor tweak and they hope its enough to get people to upgrade or they are banking on the revenue generated from the anniversary cameras. The speculation that the Df is getting refreshed and possibly the D750 makes me lean more towards the second. They need to release a mirrorless full frame that can compete with at least Sony and given the price of the Fuji GFX 50s they cannot come to market with a high priced full frame mirrorless camera that doesn't have the spec's to go with it. I also wonder if they have had enough time to recover from releasing the D5/D500 cameras, especially with their focus on cutting cost.

BabaGanoush

This is going to be a critical year for Nikon. There will be a lot of competitive pressure from Canon, Fuji (MF), and Sony. Nikon cannot afford a misstep. The company's future is riding on this year's product releases. And what they release has to work from the get-go, with no defects. Another oil spot debacle and Nikon will not see its 101st anniversary.

BVS

This is my guess:

D850 at CP+ at end of February
42Mpix, 6fps, D5 AF and metering, touchscreen, 4K

Df2 in July for anniversary
FF mirrorless

'True' D700 successor at end of year
20 or 24Mpix, 8-10fps, D5 AF and metering, touchscreen, 4K

D7300 somewhere in between.

DenverShooter

WestEndFoto said:

4.1 is just fine for me on a D820 with 60mp. Just give me a buffer that will let me shoot 50 raw images on continuous fast.



If you want more fps, buy a D760.

What he said.

Denver Shooter

snakebunk

@DenverShooter: No, I want 6 fps in a high pixel density camera .

(aren't these wish list threads a little bit strange?)